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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:06 AM   #286
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Andy Reid thinks Alex Smith will be better than all these QBs in the draft. It has nothing to do with anything the Chiefs have done in the past. Pretty sure for Andy Reid personally trading for Smith was the RISKIER move. Now, pressure is on him to win immediately whereas had he gone with a 1st round QB as his starter, he'd be given a few years grace period.

Andy Reid will either be right or wrong about Alex Smith becoming a franchise QB for us. I'm somewhat skeptical, but don't think it's out of the question.

Andy Reid's decisions suggest nothing more than he thinks Alex Smith will be a better QB for us than Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, etc.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:11 AM   #287
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I agree. It's not Reid being afraid to 'risk it' on a rookie, it's about him thinking all these kids were not up to the task.

You don't pick a kid you think is subpar just because you need a guy. That's not being 'scared' it's being smart.

I wish it were not the case, but there just wasn't a better option this offseason.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:16 AM   #288
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:17 AM   #289
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Andy Reid thinks Alex Smith will be better than all these QBs in the draft. It has nothing to do with anything the Chiefs have done in the past. Pretty sure for Andy Reid personally trading for Smith was the RISKIER move. Now, pressure is on him to win immediately whereas had he gone with a 1st round QB as his starter, he'd be given a few years grace period.

Andy Reid will either be right or wrong about Alex Smith becoming a franchise QB for us. I'm somewhat skeptical, but don't think it's out of the question.

Andy Reid's decisions suggest nothing more than he thinks Alex Smith will be a better QB for us than Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, etc.
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I agree. It's not Reid being afraid to 'risk it' on a rookie, it's about him thinking all these kids were not up to the task.

You don't pick a kid you think is subpar just because you need a guy. That's not being 'scared' it's being smart.

I wish it were not the case, but there just wasn't a better option this offseason.
Totally agree.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:18 AM   #290
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:19 AM   #291
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He made plays to win the games. We had much better teams in the 90s yet none of our sorry ass quarterbacks could make a play to win a playoff game. So go shove that up your ass.
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

You can't criticize Alex Smith for being a game manager and then say that winning games is the most important criteria for measuring a quarterback's performance.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:21 AM   #292
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Back to the actual point of the OP, these reports look like bullshit, and I'm done listening to reports from anonymous sources bashing people's character. Also, everything I've heard about the agents tells me their petty losers. People fire their agents all the time without them whining to the media and smearing their former client. What desperate ****ing clowns.
Players drop in the draft all the time without blaming their agents and firing them IMMEDIATELY after the draft.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:24 AM   #293
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Andy Reid and John Dorsey have apparently spent the entire offseason holed up in Pioli's basement pulling bong hits, playing D & D, and scheming on the best way to ensure that the Chiefs will be 8-8 for the next 40 years. If you believe the Genobators, that is the more likely option than there not being a decent QB in this draft.
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I agree. It's not Reid being afraid to 'risk it' on a rookie, it's about him thinking all these kids were not up to the task.

You don't pick a kid you think is subpar just because you need a guy. That's not being 'scared' it's being smart.

I wish it were not the case, but there just wasn't a better option this offseason.
This all goes back to the nutty idea that drafting a first round QB maximizes your chance of winning a Super Bowl without any regard for the individual strengths and weaknesses of the QB prospect or the alternatives available through free agency, trade, or in later rounds of the draft.

Strangely enough though, they've abandoned this foundational principle in order to maintain support for the guy they focused their affection on now that he's turned into the type of non-first-round QB that they previously condemned. Cognitive dissonance.
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Andy Reid and John Dorsey have apparently spent the entire offseason holed up in *****'s basement pulling bong hits, playing D & D, and scheming on the best way to ensure that the Chiefs will be 8-8 for the next 40 years. If you believe the Genobators, that is the more likely option than there not being a decent QB in this draft.
Yep but now are the "Genobators" the same group of annual QB gurus that never are right about the quality of said QBs. It is a different one every year.
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You broads STILL think we should've taken Geno 1.1 with all of QB needy teams that passed on his ass after we did?

****ing Retarded...
no it's because only the Giants and Steelers and Ravens are smart and the other 29 teams have dipshit GM's

/says CP every draft

you know, even though when you look back the drafts by those three teams they aren't anything special
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Reid and Dorsey are gamblers, and they are taking a risk with ASmith. They just happen to be master card counters playing blackjack while the Genobators are those guys who put their paycheck on Double Zero in roulette and then wonder why everyone looks at them funny.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:33 AM   #298
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I don't care if Geno goes on to be the greatest QB of all time.

CLEARLY, 100%

CP overrated him as a draft prospect.

He has no comparison to Cam Newton. Cam Newton ended up being a blue chip prospect.

Geno wasn't.

This was proven on draft day.

Will the scouts be right? They were right about Clausen. They were clearly wrong about Russell Wilson. Pertaining to QB's? There are 1000 Geno's and Clausen's who fail and very few Russell's or Brady's.

the fact Geno fell to 39 (or whatever) is hilarious given how many posts we wasted on that idiot

it still cracks me up

...and CP can't even complain because he was taken in the 2nd ****ing round
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Reid and Dorsey are gamblers, and they are taking a risk with ASmith. They just happen to be master card counters playing blackjack while the Genobators are those guys who put their paycheck on Double Zero in roulette and then wonder why everyone looks at them funny.
QBs don't grow on trees

Reid/Dorsey came in to a team with absolute shit at QB and had the #1 pick in an absolute shit draft class...

so instead of going with absolute shit they brought in the best guy available

do they think he's Tom Brady?

I highly doubt it.

but they are building a team around him to win some games until they can try and find their Tom Brady

and the fact people are mad because they gave up two picks with success rates of around 30% is laughable

go research picks 30-40 the past 10 years and report back on what you found

go go go go
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CP will be a smarter place when they learn to properly evaluate draft picks.

1st round picks are important because you can't miss often with those...

after that?

Nope. Success rates for rounds 2-4 just aren't that great. We're talking 30%. 5-7 forget about it.

draft picks are important because you can control players for 4 years at a very cheap price and they fill roster spots 30-53 generally

you can't go pluck 20 veterans because they cost 4 times more than a 3rd round rookie

draft picks are great roster fillers...and some of them turn out to be total steals

but draft picks, especially 4-7th rounders...are all lottery picks...if they work out, omg awesome whoa! If they don't...that's what happens to everyone.

Go look.
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