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Old 05-01-2013, 09:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:35 PM   #391
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:38 PM   #392
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Really, all we outside prognosticators can do is look at the tape and watch the combine. It's not like we have access to all the information. Based on the tape, I would have taken Geno at 1.1. No shame in admitting it. At least I advocated for a position and put in the work to back it up. People here are renowned for coming out of the woodwork after the fact and sniping those who actually do their own "work." **** em.
Some of the people who claim to do their own work (as opposed to taking cues from the people who are paid to evaluate talent) went out of their way to belittle those who expressed even the slightest degree of skepticism about Geno Smith or who admitted to paying any heed to the negatives coming out of the NFL media about him. If you weren't involved in any of that and if you weren't one of the people calling the pros morons for not sharing your opinion, you have no reason to be defensive.

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion that turns out to be wrong because you didn't have access to all of the pertinent information. It's just nice to keep the fact that you don't have access to all the pertinent information in mind when you decide how forcefully you want to argue that position.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:41 PM   #393
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"Rodgers/Flacco had red flags. Geno Smith had red flags. So that means Geno could turn out like Rodgers/Flacco!"

That's the gist of what this thread is pumping out.

Locker/Gabbert/Ponder/Quinn/Russell etc, etc were also 1st round QB's who had red flags.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:42 PM   #394
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Geno Smith off to a great start

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-...1952--nfl.html

Hoooo boy...you may have dodged a bullet here, Chiefs fans.
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Brees, Rodgers, Flaaco, and Sanchez. Thats the 4 we had a shot and passed and out of those it was really just Brees and Sanchez, who we passed on for Green and Cassel.
Brees didn't help the team that drafted him. I don't see how we can call that a mistake even with the benefit of hindsight. Vermeil got what he wanted to get out of Trent Green.

The Cassel trade on the other hand was bad, but the big mistake was committing to him for several years instead of bringing in real competition or finding a replacement after year 3.
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