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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:49 PM   #406
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I would hate to draft a guy who plays on his phone. I prefer cb's who punch women in the mouth. Lets draft that guy!
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:50 PM   #407
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:52 PM   #408
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That doesn't mean he wouldn't have helped the Chiefs.
No, it doesn't. But you can say that about anyone. There's nothing about his real career that should make anyone think he would have been better at running Vermeil's offense than Trent Green was.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:52 PM   #409
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:52 PM   #410
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No, it doesn't. But you can say that about anyone. There's nothing about his real career that should make anyone think he would have been better at running Vermeil's offense than Trent Green was.


And there's nothing that says he couldn't have been our franchise QB long after Green got his brains scrambled.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:53 PM   #411
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Where? In the thread with 27 pages? Ain't nobody got time for that.
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And there's nothing that says he couldn't have been our franchise QB long after Green got his brains scrambled.
Shouldn't you be making this argument about Alex Smith as well?
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:55 PM   #413
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And there's nothing that says he couldn't have been our franchise QB long after Green got his brains scrambled.
You can fantasize about anything you want, but that doesn't make for a very strong argument.
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:56 PM   #414
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Next years QB class looks to have a lot of quality.

Teddy Bridgewater
AJ McCarron
Tajh Boyd
Aaron Murray
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And then Johnny Football, but I wouldn't want him.

Lots of quality options at this point.
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AJ McCarron is a 4th round pick. At best.

Aaron Murray is probably 5-foot-11.

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Old 05-02-2013, 05:57 PM   #416
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Brees didn't help the team that drafted him. I don't see how we can call that a mistake even with the benefit of hindsight. Vermeil got what he wanted to get out of Trent Green.

The Cassel trade on the other hand was bad, but the big mistake was committing to him for several years instead of bringing in real competition or finding a replacement after year 3.
Brees helped the Chargers quite a bit. He started to turn the corner after the 2003 season went wrong. 2004 and 2005 he put on really good seasons for San Diego. They let him go because they invested a bunch in Rivers and he had the shoulder injury on the last game of the season.
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You can fantasize about anything you want, but that doesn't make for a very strong argument.
Are you saying the Chiefs were right not to draft Brees?
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Where? In the thread with 27 pages? Ain't nobody got time for that.
The 23 hours a day you're confined to your cell should afford you plenty of time to read through every mega thread on CP.
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You can fantasize about anything you want, but that doesn't make for a very strong argument.
It's possible that if we had taken Joe Flacco or Aaron Rodgers, they would have both busted. It's also possible that if we had taken Jake Plummer, he would have been a decade-long franchise QB. We can imagine an infinite number of possibilities.
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