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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:16 AM   #466
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I was expecting this and figured people like you would read just the beginning and then take off with it before getting to the point of the article. Its no suprise you would think what you posted was the point of it.



From the same article -

While the amateurs had doubts, the “professional” draft analysts were dead on with Flacco. The Scouts Inc analysis pegged him. “Big-time arm”that was “a notch below…JaMarcus Russell.” “Trusts his arm too much at times, which leads to critical errors throwing the ball into traffic.”
A notch below Jamarcus. Nice going fellas!

His arm was never the question. It was playing against shit opponents and playing out of the gun, oh and getting beat out by Tyler Palko didn't help either.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:27 AM   #467
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I realize that this is difficult for someone of your intelligence level to understand.

I wanted us to draft Geno. That was an opinion. I thought that he offered the best upside for our franchise of any player in the draft. I had an avatar of him throughout this entire ordeal. However, we didn't draft him. Neither did 31 other teams who had a chance to do so, with many of those teams having more than one chance to do so.

I'm not stubborn enough to just brush that off and think that there's some kind of conspiracy against the kid or that I know something from watching him throw the football on the TV a few times that these guys who have broken down every singe snap of his, held him for private workouts, interviewed him and those close to him, and done exhaustive research don't know.

That would be dumb. You're being dumb, which should come as no surprise to anyone who has ever read any of your posts, under any of your ridiculous monikers.

Also, I will not be cheering for him, even though I wanted to draft him. He plays for another team. I have no allegiance to the Jets, and don't care to root for their QB. I hope he fails miserably, just as I hope that 31 other QBs in the NFL fail miserably.

And his pouting certainly falls right in line with why many were questioning his leadership and if he should be a first round QB. I thought it wasn't important. I was pretty turned off by his pouting during the draft coverage and then his finger pointing immediately after. Those are things that we fans don't generally get to see as many of those things happen behind closed doors, which is probably why many GMs weren't interested in drafting him.
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:56 AM   #468
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Excellent post. It's too bad BigCatDaddy is too ****ing stupid to understand it.





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Hey you little bitch. When Geno is passing for more 300 yard games in his rookie season than Alex has in his 80 game career you can lick my taint. It's going to be so awesome watching Alex Smiff fall flat on his sorry ass.
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Hey you little bitch. When Geno is passing for more 300 yard games in his rookie season than Alex has in his 80 game career you can lick my taint. It's going to be so awesome watching Alex Smiff fall flat on his sorry ass.
Yeah it'll be real awesome to watch our starting QB suck...my God people
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:19 AM   #470
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:22 AM   #471
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Ok I'll do it then since you're all having too much fun circle jerking. Also because I'm curious.

Going back to 2000, here's the next QB that was taken after the Chiefs drafted. I think this is a much more fair measure than just picking the best QB in hindsight. I mean I know you're all brilliant GMs who definitely wanted Freeman over Sanchez at the time, but let's stick to what NFL GMs who actually spent approx. infitily more time analyzing the players came up with. I also listed the QBs we could have potentially traded up for, and the ones who were out of reach.

2012 1.11 Dontari Poe NT Memphis
Next QB: 1.22 Brandon Weeden
Prev QBs (we could have possibly traded up for): 1.8 Ryan Tannehill, 1.2 RGII (if we give away the farm)
Out of reach: 1.1 Luck

2011 1.26 Jonathan Baldwin WR Pittsburgh
Next QB: 2.35 Andy Dalton
Prev possible QBs: 1.8 Jake Locker, 1.10 Blaine Gabbert, 1.12 Christian Ponder (any of those would have probably cost a 2012 #1, also barf)
Out of reach: 1.1 Cam Newton

2010 1.5 Eric Berry SS Tennessee
Next QB: 1.25 Tim Tebow
(ok I'll grant McDaniels is insane, next QB after that? 2.48 Jimmy Clausen)
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.1 Bradford

2009 1.3 Tyson Jackson DE Louisiana State

Next QB: 1.5 Mark Sanchez (Freeman after that)
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.1 Stafford

2008 1.5 Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State
Next QB: none until we draft again
2008 1.15 Branden Albert T Virginia
Next QB: 1.18 Joe Flacco (considered a big reach by most, but yeah a very good argument for "reaching" for a QB)
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.3 Ryan

2007 1.23 Dwayne Bowe WR Louisiana State
Next QB: 2.36 Kevin Kolb
Prev possible QBs: 1.22 Brady Quinn
Out of reach: 1.1 JaWalrus (dammit!)

2006 1.20 Tamba Hali DE Penn State

Next QB: 2.49 Kellen Clemens
Prev possible QBs: 1.10 Matt Leinart, 1.11 Jay Cutler
Out of reach: 1.3 Vince Young

2005 1.15 Derrick Johnson LB Texas
Next QB: 1.24 Aaron Rodgers
Prev possible QBs: None
Out of reach: 1.1 Alex Smith

2004 2.36 Junior Siavii
Next QB: 3.90 Matt Schaub (damn)
Prev possible QBs: 1.22 JP Lossman, 1.11 Big Rape (maybe if we trade a #1)
Out of reach: 1.1 Eli, 1.4 Rivers

2003 1.27 Larry Johnson RB Penn State
Next QB: 3.88 Dave Ragone
Prev possible QBs: 1.19 Kyle Boller, 1.22 Rex Grossman, 1.7 Byron Leftwich (maybe for a #1)
Out of reach: 1.1 Carson Palmer

2002 6 Ryan Sims DT North Carolina
Next QB: 1.32 Patrick Ramsey
Prev possible QBs: 1.3 Joey Harrington
Out of reach: 1.1 David Carr

2001 3.75 Eric Downing DT Syracuse
Next QB: 4.106 Chris Wienkie
Prev possible QBs: 2.1 Drew Brees, 2.53 Quincy Carter, 2.59 Marques Tuiasosopo (guessing not drafted as QB?)
Out of reach: 1.1 Michael Vick,

2000 1.21 Sylvester Morris WR Jackson State
Next QB: 3.65 Giovanni Carmazzi
Prev possible QBs: 1.18 Chad Pennington (I'm sure everyone here was screaming for Tom Brady at 6.199)
Out of reach: None


All in all there's a lot of crap out there. I'm not saying I'm happy with the Chiefs by any means. But I think it's easy to cherry pick the spots like Flacco, Rodgers, Freeman and Brees, and forget about all the ones we dodged like butt-fumble, Jafatass, Young, Quinn, Jason Campbell, Clausen, etc. or all the years there just wasn't crap to pick from (like many are predicting for this year).
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It's going to be so awesome watching Alex Smiff fall flat on his sorry ass.
Why?
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Yeah it'll be real awesome to watch our starting QB suck...my God people
It's become a way of life. I've been reduced to rooting for a complete flop of Carl Peterson to Herm Edwards to Matt Cassell to Scott Pioli to Romeo in a hope for real substantial positive change. Alex Smith is just the next link in that chain.
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I explain above. Rooting for failure in hope for a change that may lead to success.
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It's become a way of life. I've been reduced to rooting for a complete flop of Carl Peterson to Herm Edwards to Matt Cassell to Scott ***** to Romeo in a hope for real substantial positive change. Alex Smith is just the next link in that chain.
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Wow, it was even worse than my instincts told me it was. I never could shake Vince Young visions and this strongly suggests why his coaches couldn't get him out of the pocket. He won't listen.
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And then Johnny Football, but I wouldn't want him.

Lots of quality options at this point.
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I explain above. Rooting for failure in hope for a change that may lead to success.
Why not root for success because, you know, it would actually be success?
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