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Old 05-01-2013, 08:02 PM  
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Why Geno Smith fell in the draft

I've seen a couple other posts about this... but this probably deserves it's own thread considering how many hours we've wasted arguing about the guy. This is the first article I've seen theorizing why Geno fell in the draft. Time will tell whether it's accurate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--ge...183846651.html

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On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group his agents included were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft.

"I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

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One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

"Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

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By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:06 PM   #496
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Not true.

I'd rather lose with Alex and move on quickly for the search for that guy that's going to be a top 10 QB in the league for the next decade rather than waste 3-4 years spinning our wheels.
This. The reason Alex makes sense to the FO is because they know the window slams shut for guys like Tamba, DJ, Jamaal (and dare I say Bowe) in the next 2-3 years.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:15 PM   #497
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This. The reason Alex makes sense to the FO is because they know the window slams shut for guys like Tamba, DJ, Jamaal (and dare I say Bowe) in the next 2-3 years.
Yep and they should have went the rebuild route but after the last few years they needed to put asses back in the seats and regain some repectability.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:17 PM   #498
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Because I'll take the unknown over the known. Most likely one or more of the QB's in the draft will be much better than Alex Smith. Buy a lottery ticket or two and see what happens.
Buying lottery tickets is also known as the investment strategy for complete idiots. But at least you've made it easy for the rest of us to understand where you are coming from. You apply the same level of intelligence to building an NFL roster as you do to investing. No risk is too great because there is always that 1 in 64 million chance that you'll hit.
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Yep and they should have went the rebuild route but after the last few years they needed to put asses back in the seats and regain some repectability.
I disagree there. Clark isn't hurting for money. He's 100% like Lamar: concerned more about attendance than actually winning championships. An owner committed to winning would have gone out and and admitted the previous regime as a failure and the new hires in the FO will need some time to rebuild the roster the right way with a true franchise QB and solid role players and this could take 2-3 seasons to do.
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Old 05-03-2013, 03:24 PM   #500
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Buying lottery tickets is also known as the investment strategy for complete idiots. But at least you've made it easy for the rest of us to understand where you are coming from. You apply the same level of intelligence to building an NFL roster as you do to investing. No risk is too great because there is always that 1 in 64 million chance that you'll hit.

There were about 7 or 8 QB's drafted in the 4th round or higher. 2 or 3 likely can be just as good and/or better than Alice. I'll take my 25% chance rather then trot out known shit. l'll take my strategy you can have your "risk adverse" way Scott.
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:47 PM   #501
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I like how Geno fan's are getting castigated when "experts" and talking heads all expounded their man-love for the likes of Glennon and Nassib and Barkley as the top QBs in the class - only to watch them fall to the third and fourth rounds.
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Old 05-03-2013, 04:48 PM   #502
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The hits keep coming for Geno Smith
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 3, 2013, 6:46 PM EDT
Geno Smith AP

Another day, another round of anonymous sources ripping new Jets quarterback Geno Smith.

This time the anonymous sources talked to ESPN.com, which quotes two people who work for NFL teams and who think Smith has character issues that will make life rough for him in his new NFL home.

“He’s going to have a tough time in New York,” an NFC scout said. “Right now, he’s coming off as a spoiled, pampered brat.”

Smith’s decision to fire his agents also has caused him to take some criticism from those who see it as a sign that he doesn’t stick it out when the going gets tough.

“One of his perceived weaknesses is working through adversity,” an AFC personnel executive said.

One of the problems Smith is having right now, as Mike Florio noted on PFT Live, is the very fact that he doesn’t have an agent. When players are taking heat in the media, it’s often the agent who gives him good public relations advice and helps him to beat back all the hits he’s taking. Smith could use someone whose job it is to look out for his interests, and he doesn’t have that right now.

But what’s unclear is why so many unnamed sources — including those who revealed this week that Smith didn’t handle himself well in pre-draft interviews — are coming out of the woodwork right now, a week after Smith was drafted. It’s starting to feel like piling on.

Whatever the reasons, Smith seems to have a lot of people around the league who don’t like him.
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Old 05-03-2013, 05:37 PM   #503
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Very strange. I can't recall a QB getting buried quite like this. It's not like they're trying to hurt his draft stock so they'll fall to a certain team. It's not a Rodgers or Quinn or even Marino situation. The draft is over, everybody already passed on the guy.
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Very strange. I can't recall a QB getting buried quite like this. It's not like they're trying to hurt his draft stock so they'll fall to a certain team. It's not a Rodgers or Quinn or even Marino situation. The draft is over, everybody already passed on the guy.
Old agent letting the flood gates open to the press I would imagine.
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Old agent letting the flood gates open to the press I would imagine.
I doubt it.

If anyone ever finds out that it's him he wouldn't ever get another client. Not worth the risk ... at all.
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I doubt it.

If anyone ever finds out that it's him he wouldn't ever get another client. Not worth the risk ... at all.
It is. That is why information is flowing like wildfire. If Smith had an agent, they would come back with PR against it.
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He slid in the draft because there is absolutely nothing special about him plain and simple. Teams in desperate need of a QB made trades for nothing special veteran QBs, that should have been a clue to those on Chiefsplanet who were laughably in love with the kid. The only people shocked or surprise about him not being a high pick post here or are related to him. The team that drafted him traded for Tebow last year for ****s sake~
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