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FDA appeals making 'morning-after' pill available to all ages

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Terry Baynes
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8:00 p.m. CDT, May 1, 2013

(Reuters) - The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday appealed a court order directing the agency to make "morning-after" emergency contraception pills available without a prescription to all girls of reproductive age.

Lawyers with the Justice Department filed the appeal with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, according to court documents.

The appeal is the latest foray in the years-long legal battle over the pill known as "Plan B," a drug that has also sparked political and religious clashes. If taken up to 120 hours after unprotected sex, it is designed to prevent pregnancy.

The government is seeking to overturn U.S. District Judge Edward Korman's ruling from April 5 that required the FDA to make the emergency contraception available over-the-counter to women of all ages within 30 days.

The Justice Department has asked the district court to temporarily stop its order from taking effect while the appeal is pending, said FDA spokeswoman Erica Jefferson.

The district judge's ruling came in response to a lawsuit originally filed in 2005 by the Center for Reproductive Rights and other groups seeking to strike down age and access limits to the emergency contraception. They argued that there was no scientific proof that girls of reproductive age could not safely use the drug without supervision.

Korman's order reversed a surprise December 2011 decision by U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. At the time, the FDA had decided to approve over-the-counter sales with no age limits when Sebelius ordered it to reverse course, barring girls under 17 from buying the pills without a prescription.

President Barack Obama supported that restriction, invoking his daughters. But the timing, 11 months ahead of the presidential election, sparked criticism that he was trying to placate social conservatives.

In his ruling, Korman called Sebelius' decision "arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable."

"The motivation for the secretary's action was obviously political," he wrote.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, criticized the government's decision to appeal.

Obama's "administration has decided once again to deprive women of their right to obtain emergency contraception without unjustified and burdensome restrictions," she said in a statement.

Before filing its appeal, the FDA said on Tuesday that it would allow girls as young as 15 years old to buy without a prescription the Plan B One-Step emergency contraceptive, made by a unit of Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

The agency said its decision to lower the age limit for Plan B One-Step was based on scientific data submitted by Teva that showed girls as young as 15 could safely use the drug without the intervention of a healthcare provider. Cashiers will still have to verify the customer's age before selling it, the FDA said.

The case is Tummino et al. v. Hamburg et al., U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, No. 12-763.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:55 AM   #151
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Sure, if you ignore the negative effects not doing any of those things has on society. If we ignore the damage not doing those things cause. If we don't want to view ourselves as a civilized, developed country, sure we don't have to do any of those things.

/Don't actually have a rebuttal for any of that do you? Because that didn't address anything in the post.
You're ignoring the negative effects on society of your proposed solutions. You're also ignoring other alternative solutions like adoption.

BTW, I addressed your first post and got you to admit that you were full of shit.
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Old 05-04-2013, 08:59 AM   #152
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Kids who are molested by their parents (a tiny fraction of all kids, btw) already have an avenue for getting out from under their control. That's no reason to undermine the parental control of the vast majority of parents.
The majority of Kids are molested by a family member. And no, they don't have an avenue for getting out of control, because the vast majority of them don't tell.

- 90% are abused by someone they know, love or trust.
- Somewhere between 2/3 and ninety percent of sexual abuse victims never tell

-- More then 60% of pregnant teens have been sexually abused.

http://www.naasca.org/2012-Resources...ChildAbuse.htm

/undermine parental control? of course not. But you love to operate in extremes. How bout just recognizing that parental control isn't always optimal.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:02 AM   #153
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You're ignoring the negative effects on society of your proposed solutions. You're also ignoring other alternative solutions like adoption.

BTW, I addressed your first post and got you to admit that you were full of shit.
You haven't gotten me to admit anything. You want to play word police and I am not going to play along. "have to" " Should" mean the same then to me in the context of what I wrote. Stop intentional being obtuse.

And what negative effects are there of birth control and welfare? Enlighten me.

Ignore adoption? Are you now for forcing women to get rid of kids they can't provide for?

Adoption is great, but women is the only one to make that choice.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:04 AM   #154
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You're ignoring the negative effects on society of your proposed solutions. You're also ignoring other alternative solutions like adoption.

BTW, I addressed your first post and got you to admit that you were full of shit.
You are ignoring the negative effects of teen births to the female and to society.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:10 AM   #155
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Kids who are molested by their parents (a tiny fraction of all kids, btw) already have an avenue for getting out from under their control. That's no reason to undermine the parental control of the vast majority of parents.
Yes sexual molestation by a parent is maybe tiny in the grand scheme but it still happens every day in this country and if you have ever known a person who is molested they find it very hard to break away.

Looking at child abuse statistics as whole 6 million kids are abused every year while 5 kids every day DIE from abuse which is worst in the world.

http://www.childhelp-usa.com/pages/statistics

I think we can all agree America is full of shitty ass parents.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:16 AM   #156
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The majority of Kids are molested by a family member. And no, they don't have an avenue for getting out of control, because the vast majority of them don't tell.

- 90% are abused by someone they know, love or trust.
- Somewhere between 2/3 and ninety percent of sexual abuse victims never tell

-- More then 60% of pregnant teens have been sexually abused.

http://www.naasca.org/2012-Resources...ChildAbuse.htm

/undermine parental control? of course not. But you love to operate in extremes. How bout just recognizing that parental control isn't always optimal.
This is why I don't bother to engage you in any serious discussion anymore. In addition to being a thoughtless talking point regurgitator, you regularly say things that are clearly untrue and if I prove them wrong, you move the goal posts a bit and soldier on as if leaving a trail of fail has no bearing whatsoever on whatever it is you drop next.

First of all, we're talking about parents here, not "family members". Second, it's not true at all that the majority of kids are molested by family members. That's ridiculous. Third, parents who molest their kids generally lose their kids when the authorities become aware of it. Three strikes, you're out.
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You haven't gotten me to admit anything. You want to play word police and I am not going to play along. "have to" " Should" mean the same then to me in the context of what I wrote. Stop intentional being obtuse.
See what I mean? "Have to" and "should" don't mean the same thing. I have no interest in debating with a guy who can't say what he means and who changes his position every time he's proven wrong.

The fact that you regularly post a wall of regurgitated talking point text that has little relevance to the issue at hand isn't a small part of the annoyance either.
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Ignore adoption? Are you now for forcing women to get rid of kids they can't provide for?

Adoption is great, but women is the only one to make that choice.
More evidence that you're too stupid to bother with.
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Yes sexual molestation by a parent is maybe tiny in the grand scheme but it still happens every day in this country and if you have ever known a person who is molested they find it very hard to break away.

Looking at child abuse statistics as whole 6 million kids are abused every year while 5 kids every day DIE from abuse which is worst in the world.

http://www.childhelp-usa.com/pages/statistics

I think we can all agree America is full of shitty ass parents.
I'm opposed to parental child molestation. If we can fashion some kind of public policy that addresses it without damaging the vast majority of parent/child relationships which don't involve molestation, I'd be glad to support it.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:23 AM   #160
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This is why I don't bother to engage you in any serious discussion anymore. In addition to being a thoughtless talking point regurgitator, you regularly say things that are clearly untrue and if I prove them wrong, you move the goal posts a bit and soldier on as if leaving a trail of fail has no bearing whatsoever on whatever it is you drop next.

First of all, we're talking about parents here, not "family members". Second, it's not true at all that the majority of kids are molested by family members. That's ridiculous. Third, parents who molest their kids generally lose their kids when the authorities become aware of it. Three strikes, you're out.

First, if a child is being molested by a family member, that means a close family member, and it also means that parents are not supervising their child properly. The State makes very little distinction between parent and family member for that reason.

Second, it is true that the majority of kids are molested by family members. Prove it wrong otherwise. Stating it doesn't because you don't want it to be true doesn't make it true.

My wife works for Green County Child Abuse and Neglect Division. I know what I am talking about.

Third, a parent can only lose their kid if it is reported. As I already provided, a significant amount is not reported.

Seriously, do you know how many cases my wife got where parents invited a known Sex offender (usually a family member) to stay at their house, and the authorities didn't discover it until months or years later?
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More evidence that you're too stupid to bother with.
So what is your answer to use adoption? Explain how adoption helps unwanted teenage pregnancy.
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See what I mean? "Have to" and "should" don't mean the same thing. I have no interest in debating with a guy who can't say what he means and who changes his position every time he's proven wrong.

The fact that you regularly post a wall of regurgitated talking point text that has little relevance to the issue at hand isn't a small part of the annoyance either.
I haven't changed my position at all. You are just looking for a way to ignore what I say because you don't have a response. You are being lazy.
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More evidence that the majority of Abuse happens at the hands of Family members:

Who Are the Perpetrators?
Perpetrators of child abuse or neglect are most often the child’s own parents. According to NCANDS, in 2005, 79.4 percent of perpetrators were parents and 6.8 percent were other relatives. The largest remaining categories of perpetrators were the unmarried partner of a child’s parent (3.8 percent) and other perpetrators (4.1 percent). In 3.6 percent of child maltreatment cases the perpetrators were missing or unknown. In under 1 percent of child maltreatment cases the perpetrator was a foster parent, residential facility staff, the child’s daycare provider, a legal guardian, friends or neighbors, or other professionals (USDHHS, 2007).

Approximately 40 percent of child victims were maltreated by their mothers acting alone; another 18.3 percent were maltreated by their fathers acting alone; 17.3 percent were abused by both parents (USDHHS, 2007).


http://www.americanhumane.org/childr...tatistics.html

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First, if a child is being molested by a family member, that means a close family member, and it also means that parents are not supervising their child properly. The State makes very little distinction between parent and family member for that reason.

Second, it is true that the majority of kids are molested by family members. Prove it wrong otherwise. Stating it doesn't because you don't want it to be true doesn't make it true.

My wife works for Green County Child Abuse and Neglect Division. I know what I am talking about.

Third, a parent can only lose their kid if it is reported. As I already provided, a significant amount is not reported.

Seriously, do you know how many cases my wife got where parents invited a known Sex offender (usually a family member) to stay at their house, and the authorities didn't discover it until months or years later?
You're a moron who apparently doesn't realize he's a moron.

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The estimates for the United States vary widely. A literature review of 23 studies found rates of 3% to 37% for males and 8% to 71% for females, which produced an average of 17% for boys and 28% for girls,[157] while a statistical analysis based on 16 cross-sectional studies estimated the rate to be 7.2% for males and 14.5% for females.
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Most children aren't molested by anyone, much less a "family member", and even much less than that, a parent.

If a molesting parent is reported, the child is removed. That's an avenue for getting out from under the control of a molesting parent. If a 15 year old can make decisions about the morning after pill, she can make a decision to report her scumbag father.

I don't really want to hear any more from you. You don't know what you're talking about and I don't have the patience to walk with you through iteration after iteration of your argument until it starts to make some sense.

And no, I don't know anything about how many cases of any type that your wife sees. I don't know anything about your wife except that she married a moron. She must think she can fix you.
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I'm opposed to parental child molestation. If we can fashion some kind of public policy that addresses it without damaging the vast majority of parent/child relationships which don't involve molestation, I'd be glad to support it.
My overall point pat is that America is full of shitty ass parents that abuse their kids whether it is sexually, physically or mentally so there has to be some kind of exception.

And Loneiguana is right, most kids don't tell and keep quiet. All you have to do is look at the molestation of children that the Catholic Church has perpetuated to know that is true.
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