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Old 05-01-2013, 11:07 PM  
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FDA appeals making 'morning-after' pill available to all ages

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Terry Baynes
Reuters
8:00 p.m. CDT, May 1, 2013

(Reuters) - The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday appealed a court order directing the agency to make "morning-after" emergency contraception pills available without a prescription to all girls of reproductive age.

Lawyers with the Justice Department filed the appeal with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, according to court documents.

The appeal is the latest foray in the years-long legal battle over the pill known as "Plan B," a drug that has also sparked political and religious clashes. If taken up to 120 hours after unprotected sex, it is designed to prevent pregnancy.

The government is seeking to overturn U.S. District Judge Edward Korman's ruling from April 5 that required the FDA to make the emergency contraception available over-the-counter to women of all ages within 30 days.

The Justice Department has asked the district court to temporarily stop its order from taking effect while the appeal is pending, said FDA spokeswoman Erica Jefferson.

The district judge's ruling came in response to a lawsuit originally filed in 2005 by the Center for Reproductive Rights and other groups seeking to strike down age and access limits to the emergency contraception. They argued that there was no scientific proof that girls of reproductive age could not safely use the drug without supervision.

Korman's order reversed a surprise December 2011 decision by U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. At the time, the FDA had decided to approve over-the-counter sales with no age limits when Sebelius ordered it to reverse course, barring girls under 17 from buying the pills without a prescription.

President Barack Obama supported that restriction, invoking his daughters. But the timing, 11 months ahead of the presidential election, sparked criticism that he was trying to placate social conservatives.

In his ruling, Korman called Sebelius' decision "arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable."

"The motivation for the secretary's action was obviously political," he wrote.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, criticized the government's decision to appeal.

Obama's "administration has decided once again to deprive women of their right to obtain emergency contraception without unjustified and burdensome restrictions," she said in a statement.

Before filing its appeal, the FDA said on Tuesday that it would allow girls as young as 15 years old to buy without a prescription the Plan B One-Step emergency contraceptive, made by a unit of Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

The agency said its decision to lower the age limit for Plan B One-Step was based on scientific data submitted by Teva that showed girls as young as 15 could safely use the drug without the intervention of a healthcare provider. Cashiers will still have to verify the customer's age before selling it, the FDA said.

The case is Tummino et al. v. Hamburg et al., U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, No. 12-763.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:47 AM   #166
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Most children aren't molested by anyone, much less a "family member", and even much less than that, a parent.

If a molesting parent is reported, the child is removed. That's an avenue for getting out from under the control of a molesting parent. If a 15 year old can make decisions about the morning after pill, she can make a decision to report her scumbag father.

I don't really want to hear any more from you. You don't know what you're talking about and I don't have the patience to walk with you through iteration after iteration of your argument until it starts to make some sense.

And no, I don't know anything about how many cases of any type that your wife sees. I don't know anything about your wife except that she married a moron. She must think she can fix you.

Ah, so for some reason you think we have been saying all kids are molested? You lack fundamental reading comprehension.

Let see if I can make this crystal clear for some one with a third grade reading level.

Of the kids who are molested, the majority of them are molested by family members.

You are intentionally obtuse just to get out of arguments. You are pathetic.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:00 AM   #167
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My overall point pat is that America is full of shitty ass parents that abuse their kids whether it is sexually, physically or mentally so there has to be some kind of exception.

And Loneiguana is right, most kids don't tell and keep quiet. All you have to do is look at the molestation of children that the Catholic Church has perpetuated to know that is true.
Most kids aren't molested. America is not full of shitty ass parents that abuse their kids. And for the minority cases where molestation is involved, making the morning after pill available to little girls without their parents' involvement isn't really a solution. What's next, an education campaign to encourage fathers who have sex with their daughters to use a condom?
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:03 AM   #168
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Ah, so for some reason you think we have been saying all kids are molested? You lack fundamental reading comprehension.

Let see if I can make this crystal clear for some one with a third grade reading level.

Of the kids who are molested, the majority of them are molested by family members.

You are intentionally obtuse just to get out of arguments. You are pathetic.
You are unintentionally incapable of saying what you mean. I'd say that makes you more pathetic. I'm usually reluctant to be this blunt, but I'm glad we had this talk. I hope it helps.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:38 PM   #169
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You are unintentionally incapable of saying what you mean. I'd say that makes you more pathetic. I'm usually reluctant to be this blunt, but I'm glad we had this talk. I hope it helps.
Considering I was responding to this comment you made (which started the whole thing):

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Kids who are molested by their parents (a tiny fraction of all kids, btw)

The context of the conversation was around "Kids who are molested." Now, some reading such sentence could take the meaning to be kids who are molested, a tiny fraction of the molestation are by parents. This is where most of the responses came from. If you wanted the statement to only mean that a small number of kids are actually molested, than you needed to be more precise in your wording and shaped the statement like this "a tiny fraction of all kids are actually molested, btw"

The response you received were under the context of "Kids who are molested". This notion that anyone was implying that a majority of kids are molested is completely invented by you despite the fact you are the one who started the entire context with "kids who are molested."

Also, none of the links provided for you in anyway implied or said that "majority of kids are molested". The websites are very clear that they are talking about Kids who are molested.

Again, I claim you are being intentional obtuse.

Another thing, only a tiny fraction of kids being molested in no way affects the argument that birth control needs to be made available for teenagers. Public Policy cannot be made upon an ideal that all kids come from great parents; Public Policy has to be made to include all children. And if even one naive teenager out of a broken home become pregnant, then that is one too many. The the cycle of broken homes and poverty will likely continue.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:42 PM   #170
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This is why I don't bother to engage you in any serious discussion anymore. In addition to being a thoughtless talking point regurgitator, you regularly say things that are clearly untrue and if I prove them wrong, you move the goal posts a bit and soldier on as if leaving a trail of fail has no bearing whatsoever on whatever it is you drop next.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:55 PM   #171
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Considering I was responding to this comment you made (which started the whole thing):




The context of the conversation was around "Kids who are molested." Now, some reading such sentence could take the meaning to be kids who are molested, a tiny fraction of the molestation are by parents. This is where most of the responses came from. If you wanted the statement to only mean that a small number of kids are actually molested, than you needed to be more precise in your wording and shaped the statement like this "a tiny fraction of all kids are actually molested, btw"
Stop making excuses. No amount of context saves your asinine statement. You could have said "most of those kids" or "most molested kids" or "most of the kids you're talking about", but instead, you said "most kids are molested". This is just one in a long line of examples of you molesting the English language only to wiggle from one position to the next when your errors are pointed out. Get back to me when you can get it together.
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Old 05-04-2013, 02:01 PM   #172
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Stop making excuses. No amount of context saves your asinine statement. You could have said "most of those kids" or "most molested kids" or "most of the kids you're talking about", but instead, you said "most kids are molested". This is just one in a long line of examples of you molesting the English language only to wiggle from one position to the next when your errors are pointed out. Get back to me when you can get it together.
So, you choose to ignore you statement which started the entire conversation and set up the context. Ignore the websites provided. To focus on the comment that directly quoted "Kids who are molested"(which you also ignore), to continue to not at all engage any of the points made.

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So, you choose to ignore you statement which started the entire conversation and set up the context. Ignore the websites provided. To focus on the comment that directly quoted "Kids who are molested"(which you also ignore), to continue to not at all engage any of the points made.

I'm focused on the issue we've been discussing. And dirk started the entire conversation about molestation, not me. My response to dirk was clear and unambiguous. Your response was false on it's face and in no way references the context that you now claim.
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My overall point pat is that America is full of shitty ass parents that abuse their kids whether it is sexually, physically or mentally so there has to be some kind of exception.

And Loneiguana is right, most kids don't tell and keep quiet. All you have to do is look at the molestation of children that the Catholic Church has perpetuated to know that is true.
What does molestation have to do with the topic?

I must be missing something.
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No where in my post did I say any of that. Is making things up the only way conservative argue?
I wasn't necessarily singling you out but if you think 15 year olds should be able to pick up a morning after pill with no questions asked you're not allowing any chance of intervention if the girl is being manipulated by bad people. So if this is the case yes, you are who I'm talking about.
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