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FDA appeals making 'morning-after' pill available to all ages

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Terry Baynes
Reuters
8:00 p.m. CDT, May 1, 2013

(Reuters) - The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday appealed a court order directing the agency to make "morning-after" emergency contraception pills available without a prescription to all girls of reproductive age.

Lawyers with the Justice Department filed the appeal with the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, according to court documents.

The appeal is the latest foray in the years-long legal battle over the pill known as "Plan B," a drug that has also sparked political and religious clashes. If taken up to 120 hours after unprotected sex, it is designed to prevent pregnancy.

The government is seeking to overturn U.S. District Judge Edward Korman's ruling from April 5 that required the FDA to make the emergency contraception available over-the-counter to women of all ages within 30 days.

The Justice Department has asked the district court to temporarily stop its order from taking effect while the appeal is pending, said FDA spokeswoman Erica Jefferson.

The district judge's ruling came in response to a lawsuit originally filed in 2005 by the Center for Reproductive Rights and other groups seeking to strike down age and access limits to the emergency contraception. They argued that there was no scientific proof that girls of reproductive age could not safely use the drug without supervision.

Korman's order reversed a surprise December 2011 decision by U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. At the time, the FDA had decided to approve over-the-counter sales with no age limits when Sebelius ordered it to reverse course, barring girls under 17 from buying the pills without a prescription.

President Barack Obama supported that restriction, invoking his daughters. But the timing, 11 months ahead of the presidential election, sparked criticism that he was trying to placate social conservatives.

In his ruling, Korman called Sebelius' decision "arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable."

"The motivation for the secretary's action was obviously political," he wrote.

Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, criticized the government's decision to appeal.

Obama's "administration has decided once again to deprive women of their right to obtain emergency contraception without unjustified and burdensome restrictions," she said in a statement.

Before filing its appeal, the FDA said on Tuesday that it would allow girls as young as 15 years old to buy without a prescription the Plan B One-Step emergency contraceptive, made by a unit of Teva Pharmaceutical Industries Ltd.

The agency said its decision to lower the age limit for Plan B One-Step was based on scientific data submitted by Teva that showed girls as young as 15 could safely use the drug without the intervention of a healthcare provider. Cashiers will still have to verify the customer's age before selling it, the FDA said.

The case is Tummino et al. v. Hamburg et al., U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, No. 12-763.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:07 PM   #91
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Of course you are. Your value is that a 15 year old girl should have independent choice in the matter. You want to impose that value on others who believe that parents should have a say until their daughter becomes an adult.
You're really good at misconstruing people's words and their intent.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:13 PM   #92
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You're really good at misconstruing people's words and their intent.
'Splain it to us then, because that is pretty much exactly the position you seem to be championing.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:14 PM   #93
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Of course you are. Your value is that a 15 year old girl should have independent choice in the matter. You want to impose that value on others who believe that parents should have a say until their daughter becomes an adult.
And your imposing the morality that a 15 year old should not have an independent choice.

Peronally, I'm still leaning towards parental consent, but I'm doing so more for medical purposes. While the pill will not terminate a pregnancy, there are still health factors (side effects) to think about. The argument of morality goes both ways, IMO.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:14 PM   #94
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You're really good at misconstruing people's words and their intent.
c'mon Ceph - how else would you interpret what he said?
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:15 PM   #95
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Of course you are. Your value is that a 15 year old girl should have independent choice in the matter. You want to impose that value on others who believe that parents should have a say until their daughter becomes an adult.
Parents that don't want their kid to know about and use birth control are morons. If the girl is worried about getting pregnant, she should do everything she wants to prevent that.
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Parents that don't want their kid to know about and use birth control are morons. If the girl is worried about getting pregnant, she should do everything she wants to prevent that.
I think that is right...prevent it with birth control or abstinence (yeah I know). No one want their underage teenager driving down to Walgreens to get the morning after pill
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:22 PM   #97
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'Splain it to us then, because that is pretty much exactly the position you seem to be championing.
Pretty much exactly, huh?

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Old 05-03-2013, 12:22 PM   #98
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Of course you are. Your value is that a 15 year old girl should have independent choice in the matter. You want to impose that value on others who believe that parents should have a say until their daughter becomes an adult.
Let me go reductio for a second...

How far do you extend the whole "parents have a say" concept?

What if the parents' individual value is that their daughter should not take any medication, of any sort, at all? And that child has any number of chronic conditions that would normally be treated easily and effectively with daily medication (diabetes, high blood pressure, anemia, athsma, etc.).

Is the parent's SAY in that teenager's choice still paramount?

I can tell you that from a legal and healthcare standpoint, it isn't. Parents can't restrict what medications are prescribed by their doctor and can't even restrict what medications their health coverage will provide to their child.

Hell, a parent can't even discuss their teenager's prescriptions without the kid's permission/authorization. My company is a Fortune 50 health care organization, and it actually requires authorization for any child 11 or older. This is the industry standard.
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Old 05-03-2013, 12:25 PM   #99
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No one wants their underage teenager driving down to Walgreens to get the morning after pill
Completely agree. Nobody wants that, but once it's happened, that ship has sailed and it's time to deal with reality.
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c'mon Ceph - how else would you interpret what he said?
He's providing options to an adolescent who would otherwise be embarrassed to talk about it with their parents.

This argument is becoming circular.

How about this- you believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. I'll stick to reality, as my experiences have shown me first hand, and you can continue to hope the ideal situation wins out.

Sometimes facts are unpleasant.

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Old 05-03-2013, 12:27 PM   #101
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Let me go reductio for a second...

How far do you extend the whole "parents have a say" concept?

What if the parents' individual value is that their daughter should not take any medication, of any sort, at all? And that child has any number of chronic conditions that would normally be treated easily and effectively with daily medication (diabetes, high blood pressure, anemia, athsma, etc.).

Is the parent's SAY in that teenager's choice still paramount?

I can tell you that from a legal and healthcare standpoint, it isn't. Parents can't restrict what medications are prescribed by their doctor and can't even restrict what medications their health coverage will provide to their child.

Hell, a parent can't even discuss their teenager's prescriptions without the kid's permission/authorization. My company is a Fortune 50 health care organization, and it actually requires authorization for any child 11 or older. This is the industry standard.
We aren't talking medication to preserve health of an individual with an illness......the industry standard appears to be moronic
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Completely agree. Nobody wants that, but once it's happened, that ship has sailed and it's time to deal with reality.
Agree.

I don't have a 15-year-old daughter, but if I did...

1) I'd rather her not be sexually active than be sexually active
2) If she's going to be sexually active, I'd rather she be on birth control than be at high risk for getting pregnant
3) If she's not on birth control and has an unprotected sexual encounter, I'd rather she take emergency contraception than become pregnant.
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He's providing options to an adolescent who would otherwise be embarrassed to talk about it with their parents.

This argument is becoming circular.

How about this- you believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want. I'll stick to reality, as my experiences have shown me first hand, and you can continue to hope the ideal situation wins out.

Sometimes facts are unpleasant.

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Then it is a crying shame that children cannot talk with their parents about these issues. Your reality fits you and mine, me.
I guess we both win......Happy?
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I think that is right...prevent it with birth control or abstinence (yeah I know). No one want their underage teenager driving down to Walgreens to get the morning after pill
That's exactly what this pill is. It's birth control. It's not an abortion pill. It prevents fertilization. If it's already occurred, this pill will not terminate a pregnancy.
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Pretty much exactly, huh?

Well tell us what you really meant then?
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