Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Ed & Dave Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-02-2013, 09:12 AM  
gblowfish gblowfish is offline
Be Kind To Your Pets
 
gblowfish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Glorious Independence, MO
Casino cash: $8602
VARSITY
Kentucky Five Year Old Hunter Bags a Two Year Old

His sister. Welcome to Trailer Park, Kentucky:

http://tinyurl.com/c7l2zpa

BURKESVILLE, Ky. (AP) — As Stephanie Sparks cleaned the kitchen, her 5-year-old son, Kristian, began playing with a rifle he was given last year.

She stepped out onto the front porch, poured grease out of a frying pan for the dogs and “heard the gun go off,” a Kentucky coroner said.
Authorities said the boy had fatally shot his 2-year-old sister, Caroline, in the chest.

In rural southern Kentucky, far removed from the national debate over gun control, where some children get their first guns even before they start first grade, the accident stunned the community.

Kristian’s rifle was kept in a corner of the mobile home, and the family didn’t realize a bullet had been left in it, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said.

“Down in Kentucky where we’re from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation,” White said. “You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything.”

What is more unusual than a child having a gun, he said, is “that a kid would get shot with it.”

In this case, the rifle was made by a company that sells guns specifically for children — “My first rifle” is the slogan — in colors ranging from plain brown to hot pink to royal blue to multi-color swirls.

“It’s a normal way of life, and it’s not just rural Kentucky, it’s rural America — hunting and shooting and sport fishing. It starts at an early age,”
Cumberland County Judge Executive John Phelps said. “There’s probably not a household in this county that doesn’t have a gun.”

In Cumberland County, as elsewhere in Kentucky, local newspapers feature photos of children proudly displaying their kills, including turkey and deer. Even one of the latest reality shows on CMT, “Guntucky,” features a family-owned gun range in Kentucky. The range, Knob Creek, says on its website that it is as a safe place for youngsters to learn about firearms and offers family memberships.

Ruby Wright, who teaches hunter safety classes in Burkesville, said children younger than 9 can sit in, but they can’t get certification. She also coaches 4-H shooting sports, requiring those children to be 9 as well.

Phelps, who is much like a mayor in these parts, said it had been four or five years since there had been a shooting death in the county, which lies along the Cumberland River near the Tennessee state line.

“The whole town is heartbroken,” Phelps said of Burkesville, a farming community of 1,800 about 90 miles northeast of Nashville, Tenn. “This was a total shock. This was totally unexpected.”

Phelps said he knew the family well. He said the father, Chris Sparks, works as a logger at a mill and also shoes horses.

The family lives in a gray mobile home on a long, winding road, surrounded by rolling hills and farmland that’s been in the family since the 1930s. Toys, including a small truck and a basketball goal, were on the front porch, but no one was home Wednesday.

There’s a house across the street, but the next-closest neighbor lives over a hill.

Family friend Logan Wells said he received a frantic call telling him that the little girl was in an accident and to come quickly.

When he got to the hospital, Caroline was already dead. “She passed just when I got there,” Wells said.

White said the shooting had been ruled accidental, though a police spokesman said it was unclear whether any charges will be filed.

“I think it’s too early to say whether there will or won’t be,” Trooper Billy Gregory said.

White said the boy received the .22-caliber rifle as a gift, but it wasn’t clear who gave him the gun, which is known as a Crickett.

“It’s a little rifle for a kid. … The little boy’s used to shooting the little gun,” White said.

The company that makes the rifle, Milton, Pa.-based Keystone Sporting Arms, has a “Kids Corner” on its website with pictures of young boys and girls at shooting ranges and on bird and deer hunts. It says the company produced 60,000 Crickett and Chipmunk rifles for kids in 2008. The smaller rifles are sold with a mount to use at a shooting range.

Keystone also makes guns for adults, but most of its products are geared toward children, including books, hats and bright orange vests.

“The goal of KSA is to instill gun safety in the minds of youth shooters and encourage them to gain the knowledge and respect that hunting and shooting activities require and deserve,” the website said.

No one at the company answered the phone Wednesday.

According to the website, company founders Bill McNeal and his son Steve McNeal decided to make guns for young shooters in the mid-1990s and opened Keystone in 1996 with just four employees, producing 4,000 rifles that year. It now employs about 70 people.

It also has a long list of testimonials from parents who talk about how grateful they are to be able to go shooting with their children. All of the guns have safety locks, and some even have ones that require a key.

Police did not release the model of the rifle Kristian had.

Sharon Rengers, a longtime child advocate at Kosair Children’s Hospital in Louisville, said making and marketing weapons specifically for children was “mind-boggling.”

“It’s like, oh, my God,” she said, “we’re having a big national debate whether we want to check somebody’s background, but we’re going to offer a 4-year-old a gun and expect something good from that?”

State Rep. Robert R. Damron, a Democrat and an outspoken gun rights advocate in Kentucky, said the problem is not guns, but the parents who do not teach gun safety and responsibility.

“Why single out firearms? Why not talk about all the other things that endanger children, too?” he said. “The Second Amendment doesn’t give anybody carte blanche freedom to put children and juveniles at risk.”
Posts: 27,321
gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.gblowfish is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:26 PM   #46
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
for the people on here saying "well, parenting isn't easy and they lost a kid, so they shouldn't have to go to jail"

what if the kid shot somebody elses kid? or an adult?

would the parents deserve more than a slap on the wrist than?
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:30 PM   #47
threebag02 threebag02 is online now
Snacks Are Under My Apron
 
threebag02's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Casino cash: $5694
Was meth present during the search of the house???
__________________
Posts: 5,757
threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.threebag02 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:34 PM   #48
FishingRod FishingRod is online now
Veteran
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Casino cash: $5832
Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Masking View Post
for the people on here saying "well, parenting isn't easy and they lost a kid, so they shouldn't have to go to jail"

what if the kid shot somebody elses kid? or an adult?

would the parents deserve more than a slap on the wrist than?
That is a good question.

What if a five year old grabs Mom’s car keys out of her purse while she is in the bathroom, hops in the car puts it in reverse and backs over a Mother, Grandmother and two baby twins killing them all? Is that better or worse?
Posts: 3,227
FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.FishingRod Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:36 PM   #49
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $10239
Bringing the hammer down on the idiot parents will hopefully force other idiot parents to take notice.
Posts: 31,109
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:41 PM   #50
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingRod View Post
That is a good question.

What if a five year old grabs Mom’s car keys out of her purse while she is in the bathroom, hops in the car puts it in reverse and backs over a Mother, Grandmother and two baby twins killing them all? Is that better or worse?
if you're asking over a long period of time, since the above happens once in a blue moon and kids getting into parents guns and killing people happens fairly often, i'd say better.

but if you're going strictly on numbers for the isolated incident in the OP and you're imaginary scenario, obivously 4 people dead is worse than 1, in which case i'd say it's worse.
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:42 PM   #51
Frazod Frazod is offline
Banned
 
Frazod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: my own personal pig hell
Casino cash: $5050
Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Masking View Post
for the people on here saying "well, parenting isn't easy and they lost a kid, so they shouldn't have to go to jail"

what if the kid shot somebody elses kid? or an adult?

would the parents deserve more than a slap on the wrist than?
That's a good point. I wouldn't be as forgiving if that was the case.

But that's not what happened here.

I'm all for throwing the book at criminals and then some, but there was no criminal intent here. Don't you think these people have suffered enough? Do you think the kid that pulled the trigger should lose his parents now?
Posts: 91,125
Frazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < Cassel
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:46 PM   #52
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by notorious View Post
Bringing the hammer down on the idiot parents will hopefully force other idiot parents to take notice.
but parenting is hard, and their kid shot their own kid, not a complete stranger.

it's better the authorities feel compassion for the poor parents who, gosh darn it, forgot to lock up the guns with a 5 and 2 year old in the house than the kid who'll have psychological issues the rest of his life over murdering his kid sister.

and it's especially more important to think of Ma and Pa here than it is to send a message to other gun owners with small children that they make face criminal charges if their kid winds up killing someone due to their negligence.
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:49 PM   #53
Frazod Frazod is offline
Banned
 
Frazod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: my own personal pig hell
Casino cash: $5050
Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Masking View Post
but parenting is hard, and their kid shot their own kid, not a complete stranger.

it's better the authorities feel compassion for the poor parents who, gosh darn it, forgot to lock up the guns with a 5 and 2 year old in the house than the kid who'll have psychological issues the rest of his life over murdering his kid sister.

and it's especially more important to think of Ma and Pa here than it is to send a message to other gun owners with small children that they make face criminal charges if their kid winds up killing someone due to their negligence.
You've convinced me. Let's throw these evil mother****ers feet first into a wood chipper and send the surviving kid off to a foster home.

WOOHOO!
Posts: 91,125
Frazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < CasselFrazod < Cassel
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:50 PM   #54
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $10239
Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Masking View Post

and it's especially more important to think of Ma and Pa here than it is to send a message to other gun owners with small children that they make face criminal charges if their kid winds up killing someone due to their negligence.
It's sad that threatening their personal freedom might scare them more than losing a child.


Stupid parents will be stupid though. Maybe by putting them in prison we can stop them from reproducing.
Posts: 31,109
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:53 PM   #55
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod View Post
That's a good point. I wouldn't be as forgiving if that was the case.

Don't you think these people have suffered enough? Do you think the kid that pulled the trigger should lose his parents now?
Depends on how much they loved their kid. Maybe they were model parents who made horrible mistake with tragic consequences, in which case yes. But I don't know that - there are some real scumbags out there. And regardless of how loving and innocent they were, allowing them to walk away from this with a slap on the wrist sends the wrong message to gun owning parents everywhere.

Besides, as has been mentioned by others, the 5 year old is going to have problems coping with this the rest of his life. If he sees and understands that his parents were responsible for this (and you have to agree they were) because the authorities punish them, he may be able to cope with this better as he grows up. As opposed to watching them go about their lives like they never did anything wrong, and bearing the burden of the guilt himself, which should not happen under any circumstances IMO.
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:56 PM   #56
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $8460
Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingRod View Post
That is a good question.

What if a five year old grabs Mom’s car keys out of her purse while she is in the bathroom, hops in the car puts it in reverse and backs over a Mother, Grandmother and two baby twins killing them all? Is that better or worse?
My brother did that at age ten. Car rolled in reverse on small incline; he jumped out running over part of himself. He was injured but not permanently damaged. at the idea but it does happen.
__________________
Posts: 57,455
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:57 PM   #57
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod View Post
You've convinced me. Let's throw these evil mother****ers feet first into a wood chipper and send the surviving kid off to a foster home.

WOOHOO!
i never said anything about a wood chipper or a foster home.

but i don't think sending the parents away for a few months as an example to other parents with guns, while professional shrinks help this kid understand it was their fault not his is a bad idea. if that offends the parents who think "parenting is a tough job" is an excuse to let these two people responsible for the death of a human being walk away with no legal consequence, well, i hope they find can find it in their hearts to forgive me.
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 01:58 PM   #58
Backwards Masking Backwards Masking is offline
Bustle in your hedgerow?
 

Join Date: May 2011
Location: NOT Missouri
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea View Post
My brother did that at age ten. Car rolled in reverse on small incline; he jumped out running over part of himself. He was injured but not permanently damaged. at the idea but it does happen.


i share the same story, my brother was 7 though
Posts: 2,417
Backwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking aboutBackwards Masking is the dumbass Milkman is always talking about
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 02:00 PM   #59
notorious notorious is offline
I Lay Wood for a Living
 
notorious's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Who knows?
Casino cash: $10239
Shoot the parents in the chest with the .22.


Problem solved.
Posts: 31,109
notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.notorious is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 02:01 PM   #60
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
BucPatriot
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $8460
Quote:
Originally Posted by Backwards Masking View Post


i share the same story, my brother was 7 though
Boys will be boys. They can't wait to operate real machines instead of toy ones.
__________________
Posts: 57,455
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.