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View Poll Results: How would you classify yourself?
1 - Homer 7 2.44%
2 - Optimist 85 29.62%
3 - Balanced 116 40.42%
4 - Pessimist 67 23.34%
5 - Naysayer 8 2.79%
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:30 AM  
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Let's talk about "true fans"

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

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Old 08-05-2013, 12:35 PM   #331
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I'm pretty sure that Reid sees Alex Smith as his prototype for running the Edwards West Coast system. Very smart, very accurate in the intermediary range, doesn't put the ball into the defenses hands and is athletic enough to keep the defenses honest if he needs to pull the ball down and take off.

This may sound a bit crazy, but I firmly believe that Alex Smith is a better fit/better QB for running Andy's offense than Donovan McNabb and I think that's what Reid believes as well. I think he believes that with Smith and the roster as it stands can win and win a lot right now.

I think that if this team buys into what Reid wants them to do and Sutton can get even 20% more out of the defense that they gave last season under Crennel, this team wins the AFC West and a first round playoff game this season with a shot at more.

Like I said earlier 11-5, AFC West Champs and they lose to the Texans in the AFC Championship game in 2013.
Well, in the 6 seasons from 2007 through 2012, it's taken them an average of 2.5 seasons to reach 12 wins... so yeah, maybe a bit crazy.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:39 PM   #332
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I'm pretty sure that Reid sees Alex Smith as his prototype for running the Edwards West Coast system. Very smart, very accurate in the intermediary range, doesn't put the ball into the defenses hands and is athletic enough to keep the defenses honest if he needs to pull the ball down and take off.

This may sound a bit crazy, but I firmly believe that Alex Smith is a better fit/better QB for running Andy's offense than Donovan McNabb and I think that's what Reid believes as well. I think he believes that with Smith and the roster as it stands can win and win a lot right now.

I think that if this team buys into what Reid wants them to do and Sutton can get even 20% more out of the defense that they gave last season under Crennel, this team wins the AFC West and a first round playoff game this season with a shot at more.

Like I said earlier 11-5, AFC West Champs and they lose to the Texans in the AFC Championship game in 2013.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:45 PM   #333
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:55 PM   #334
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You'd like to think that Poe, Jackson and Baldwin were horrible overdrafts, but, in all honesty, they weren't.
They were first round draft picks that have accomplished NOTHING.

NOTHING.

NOT - A - THING.

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All three players were pretty well respected leading up to the draft and while they may have went from a few to ten spots earlier than a lot of people though, those picks weren't complete left field, head scratchers.
Not a single **** is given.

They were overvalued by our FO/HC due to their athletic ability/measurables and produced nothing.

BUST.

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Old 08-05-2013, 12:55 PM   #335
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I'm pretty much Balanced - I'm "waiting to see" how the team is going to look this year before I order NFL Sunday Ticket. I'm tired of paying to watch TOTAL SUCKAGE. Been there, done that for far to long.
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Old 08-05-2013, 01:05 PM   #336
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Jackson's a favorite whipping-boy, an justifiably so, but I think it's a little harsh calling him a bust. He's played in 59 of the team's 64 games in the 4 years he's been in the league. It's not like he's Marcus Tubbs. They've gotten something out of him, even if it's not what you'd hope for out of a #3 in a perfect world.

Baldwin's the other end of the spectrum, obviously. Done nothing. Fair label in his case to this point I would say.

Too early to talk about Poe in that sense.
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Old 08-05-2013, 01:09 PM   #337
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Sac is jacking off because Reid is BYU guy, Alex Smith is a Utah Ute, Sean Smith is a Utah Ute, and they signed Matt Reynolds who is a BYU guy.
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Sorry guys, I think Sac is pretty close to being spot on. I'm not thinking AFC Champ. game, but 10-11 wins isn't ridiculous at all with this roster. Flipping the Turnover differential is the easiest thing to turning a team around (Outside of the whole acquiring a high level QB thing). It is proven over and over again and why there are 5-6 new playoff teams every year.
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Old 08-05-2013, 04:50 PM   #339
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:43 PM   #343
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Sorry guys, I think Sac is pretty close to being spot on. I'm not thinking AFC Champ. game, but 10-11 wins isn't ridiculous at all with this roster. Flipping the Turnover differential is the easiest thing to turning a team around (Outside of the whole acquiring a high level QB thing). It is proven over and over again and why there are 5-6 new playoff teams every year.
Maybe we will flip the differential AND have acquired a high level qb.



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Old 08-05-2013, 06:44 PM   #344
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That would be pretty damn awesome. I'm saying 10 because with the talent on the team, he takes care of it like in San Fran they are getting there. If he raises his level of play....heaven have mercy on the AFC.....
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"Eric Fisher struggling"

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