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View Poll Results: How would you classify yourself?
1 - Homer 7 2.44%
2 - Optimist 85 29.62%
3 - Balanced 116 40.42%
4 - Pessimist 67 23.34%
5 - Naysayer 8 2.79%
Generic Alternate Zresponse 4 1.39%
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:30 AM  
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Let's talk about "true fans"

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:06 AM   #31
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I'm an Awesome Optimist with pragmatic expectations and realistic evaluations.

I'm optimistic about most things in my life (who wouldn't be whilst this Awesome?) but in reference to the OP definitions - I always knew, and voiced, that Cassel would be a failure.
Exactly my point. You call a pyle of shit a pyle of shit and you are called negative, but when what else is one supposed to call a pyle of shit other than Brainiac?
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:06 AM   #32
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I waiver between a 3 and a 4.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:12 AM   #33
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Exactly my point. You call a pyle of shit a pyle of shit and you are called negative, but when what else is one supposed to call a pyle of shit other than Brainiac?
Again, the issue is that it's not black and white. You would probably say that there's a 10% chance Alex Smith will be successful in KC. I'd say it's more like a 40% chance.

No matter which of us we're talking about, though, it's not going to change in the next couple years. Are you really going to be bitching about Alex the entire time, or at some point can you give it up and try to have a discussion about something else?
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:13 AM   #34
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I hated the idea of getting Alex Smith before we got Alex Smith so why should I be happy now after we got him or have expectations that he is going be any good for us?


I can be optimistic about some of the other players and can only hope that maybe just maybe next year we can draft a quarterback in the first round. I doubt it but I wont be a happy Chiefs fan until we draft a quarterback in the first or win the Super Bowl with who we got.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:15 AM   #35
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I would honestly call myself a 2.5.

I want to be optimistic but I get as pissed as anyone when things are going bad.

I am trying to stay balanced but the more I get slammed by the 4's and 5's it makes me want to push back making me look like a 1.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:16 AM   #36
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:17 AM   #37
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Again, the issue is that it's not black and white. You would probably say that there's a 10% chance Alex Smith will be successful in KC. I'd say it's more like a 40% chance.

No matter which of us we're talking about, though, it's not going to change in the next couple years. Are you really going to be bitching about Alex the entire time, or at some point can you give it up and try to have a discussion about something else?
It depends on your definition of successful.


If it's 9-7 to 11-5 with maybe a playoff win I would say Smith's success possibility is 80%

If it's 10-6 to 13-3 with a Superbowl I would say his success possiblitiy is 10%
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:18 AM   #38
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Again, the issue is that it's not black and white. You would probably say that there's a 10% chance Alex Smith will be successful in KC. I'd say it's more like a 40% chance.

No matter which of us we're talking about, though, it's not going to change in the next couple years. Are you really going to be bitching about Alex the entire time, or at some point can you give it up and try to have a discussion about something else?
I would assume it depends on his performance. What was the hot topic the last 4 years? The suckage or lack of for 1 year of Matt Cassell. I don't recall much discussion on Trent Green other than if he was a top 10 QB or not.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:19 AM   #39
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Optimistic because they signed Daniel. Of course, this is predicated upon Smith's impending season ending injury that will allow Daniel to become the starter.

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:23 AM   #40
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:34 AM   #45
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Exactly my point. You call a pyle of shit a pyle of shit and you are called negative, but when what else is one supposed to call a pyle of shit other than Brainiac?
No problem with calling a perceived pile a pile of shit. The problem exists when a person creates multiple threads as well as multiple opportunities to draw attention to the fact that he thinks it is a pile of shit. Virtually every post of said poster contains some element of his that thinks that pile is indeed made of shit. Plus in the off chance that he posts about something else, there is a catch all in his sig that will ensure that even the new topic will be tainted by the knowledge that he indeed thinks that pile is shit.

It becomes redundant and boring.
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