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View Poll Results: How would you classify yourself?
1 - Homer 7 2.44%
2 - Optimist 85 29.62%
3 - Balanced 116 40.42%
4 - Pessimist 67 23.34%
5 - Naysayer 8 2.79%
Generic Alternate Zresponse 4 1.39%
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Old 05-03-2013, 09:30 AM  
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Let's talk about "true fans"

Marcellus's thread was clearly a lot of attention whoring, but when it comes down to it, he has a point. The word "true fan" has become a catch-all for anyone who doesn't agree with a person on here about XXX player or XXX move that the Chiefs have made.

The issue I have with it is that it's increasingly become a straw man insult that doesn't even make sense. Discussion around here lately reminds me of discussions in D.C. where every issue has to be black and white and anyone who doesn't agree with you is an idiot. The reality is that there are opinions all over the spectrum and that nothing is ever black and white. I'd think there are at least five different categories of Chiefs fans these days:

1 - True "homers" who will cheer for the team and applaud every move they make unconditionally. These types almost don't even exist on ChiefsPlanet (though people like to act like they do). These are only a small portion of the Chiefs fanbase, and they look like this.

2 - Optimists who will always cheer for the Chiefs, but have a sense of realism about it. They probably cheered Cassel for the first few years, but reluctantly joined the SOC bandwagon last year when it was clear that there was just no hope in saving the team under Cassel.

3 - Fans who try to keep a balanced approach. They don't get too excited about drafting a RT at #1 or trading for Alex Smith, but they believe that it's likely the team will at least be improved this year if not dramatically so. Their approach is a "wait and see" reaction, though they'll be quick to criticize if things don't work out.

4 - Pessimists who are skeptical that the Chiefs are going to be competitive any time soon, but who do try and give the team some benefit of the doubt under the new leadership. They're probably not happy about Alex Smith being our QB, but are grudgingly willing to see what he can do.

5 - Total naysayers who have had it with the team for the past 40 years and will refuse to be optimistic until the Chiefs find some real success (playoff wins at a minimum, and Super Bowl contention ideally). They believe that the front office should be constantly scrutinized given that their predecessors were given a long leash and screwed it all up.

Anyway, I thought it would be interesting to see where people would put themselves on the spectrum. It seems like most threads these days are battles between 5's and 1's, but I'd bet that those types are actually pretty rare around here. My dream would be that we can one day have discussions that are dominated by 2's, 3's, and 4's, but who knows if that can ever happen until the Chiefs start showing success.

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:35 AM   #46
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Optimistic because they signed Daniel. Of course, this is predicated upon Smith's impending season ending injury that will allow Daniel to become the starter.

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:35 AM   #47
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Optimistic because they signed Daniel. Of course, this is predicated upon Smith's impending season ending injury that will allow Daniel to become the starter.

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:37 AM   #48
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:39 AM   #49
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I would honestly call myself a 2.5.

I want to be optimistic but I get as pissed as anyone when things are going bad.

I am trying to stay balanced but the more I get slammed by the 4's and 5's it makes me want to push back making me look like a 1.
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If the pessimists were slightly less obnoxious in their self-righteous bitching it wouldn't force balanced fans into homerism.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:42 AM   #50
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The majority of the forum probably falls in the 3-4 category. However, people are so desperate to win an argument that these 3's & 4's get over dramatic and label each other as 1's & 5's.

Too many people over-sensationalize someone else's views in order to prop themselves up.

Hell, just look at this thread if you need proof.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:44 AM   #51
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I think that the total naysayers are either trolls or former homers who are truly homers on the inside but have gone "rogue".
I don't understand why people think that a player being the best option at this time makes them a homer, especially when they share the same idea to replace "said player" in the near future.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:03 AM   #52
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By your definition I would fit into the "naysayer" slot, but I think I am balanced.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:05 AM   #53
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I would say a 3 for me....I'm not particularly thrilled about the Alex Smith trade and what we gave up. But I wasn't much on the Geno bandwagon either.....

Had Pioli been allowed to stay I would have been a definite 5....but I will give Andy Reid the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:08 AM   #54
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Had ***** been allowed to stay I would have been a definite 5.

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Old 05-03-2013, 11:22 AM   #55
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The place to find the liars is usually going to be #3. Most people in any fan base will claim that they are balanced, and most people area full of shit when they make that claim. Here, the poster norm is probably #4.

It's almost a polar opposite of most team boards I read, although the dynamics are similar. JetsInsider, for example, has the "SOJF" insult instead of "true fan", but its populated mostly by homers, optimists and people who just hate every other team. If your #4 posters here think the "true fans" are bad, try reading Ray Ray on JI for a little while.

Even your most wide eyed homers around here are cynical bastards compared to him.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:24 AM   #56
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If we want to use the term "real fans" in the manner in which it is used, I think it should be o.k. to refer to the other end of the spectrum to be labeled, "dumb asses".......
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:29 AM   #57
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You guys should find the original "True Fans" post, which sparked this whole thing (well, that and Carl Peterson).....I think it was made by Hamas iirc. Everyone throws the term around on this forum, but i have to wonder how many remember the original post.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:30 AM   #58
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I would put myself slightly closer to 4 than 3.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:33 AM   #59
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This place is like a shitty stand-up comedian who thinks he's really smart and witty but isn't, so he masks it by doing the "perpetually pissed off guy" schtick.

Why people think ranting and raving makes them look like they know what they're talking about is beyond me.
So if he REALLY believes that he's smart & witty, why does he need to "mask" that he's not? He doesn't realize that he's not smart & witty, so he wouldn't recognize the need to mask anything, right? Are you trying to show us how smart you are?
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:33 AM   #60
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