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Obama blames Mexico's violence on U.S. Guns

"Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States," President Obama said during a speech at Mexico's Anthropology Museum. "I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms. And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will."

"But at the same time, as Ive said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people. That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States. Its the right thing to do," Obama added.

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Old 05-03-2013, 10:34 PM   #46
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Is that Direck's beef or just that it was hotlinked on Drudge?
My beef is more with the nature of pete's existence than it is any one thread.

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Because if it is the latter that is ****ing retarded.
Not entirely sure that's true. I'm sure if I was flooding the board with shit from Ed Schultz's bullshit every goddamn day, I'd (justifiably) face ridicule at your hands that I have to have Schultz chew my food for me.

So don't piss your pants when the ridicule is pointed at somebody who happens to share your ideology.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:44 PM   #47
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My beef is more with the nature of pete's existence than it is any one thread.



Not entirely sure that's true. I'm sure if I was flooding the board with shit from Ed Schultz's bullshit every goddamn day, I'd (justifiably) face ridicule at your hands that I have to have Schultz chew my food for me.

So don't piss your pants when the ridicule is pointed at somebody who happens to share your ideology.
So the fact that the RCP piece is video of the President's speech and quotes accurately and fairly from the speech is of zero concern to you? You would rather focus on the link than anything substantively related to the content, policy or implications? Is your rule that nothing may ever be featured on Drudge be also discussed here because you don't like that Drudge compiles news?

Just change your name to Deflection and get it over with.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:49 PM   #48
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It is morbidly hilarious that the best evidence to substantiate Obama's statement is the fact that Obama himself authorized the illegal sale of firearms to Mexican drug cartels. Not amusing at all is that one of those guns killed American border patrol agent Brian Terry. Obama lied and Brian Terry died. But he can't let that get in the way of his ****wittery.
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Old 05-03-2013, 10:52 PM   #49
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You would rather focus on the link than anything substantively related to the content, policy or implications?
I would rather focus on Pete's total dependency on Drudge than on any OP produced by Pete, yes.

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Is your rule that nothing may ever be featured on Drudge be also discussed here because you don't like that Drudge compiles news?
That is not my rule, no.

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Just change your name to Deflection and get it over with.
Grow some thicker skin, bro. Pete's Drudge-addiction is not worth jumping in front of a bullet for.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:00 PM   #50
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It is morbidly hilarious that the best evidence to substantiate Obama's statement is the fact that Obama himself authorized the illegal sale of firearms to Mexican drug cartels. Not amusing at all is that one of those guns killed American border patrol agent Brian Terry. Obama lied and Brian Terry died. But he can't let that get in the way of his ****wittery.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:04 PM   #51
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Obama illegally sells American guns to Mexican drug cartels and then has the temerity to go down there and assert that American guns are causing violence in Mexico like it isn't his fault. Well no shit, he should know. He sold the guns to the Mexican cartels. Beyond the guns Obama put into Mexico does he have any evidence to substantiate his claim? I mean aside from the American guns the American President had sold to Mexican cartels that ultimately claimed the life of an American border patrol agent.

That's some brassy Machiavellian shit there.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:04 PM   #52
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WikiLeaks: The Global Intelligence Service Files - Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

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On Monday February 27th, 2012, WikiLeaks began publishing The Global Intelligence Service Files, over five million e-mails from the Texas headquartered "Global Intelligence" company. They reveal the inner workings of a company that fronts as an intelligence publisher, but provides confidential intelligence services to large corporations, such as Bhopal's Dow Chemical Co., Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon and government agencies, including the US Department of Homeland Security, the US Marines and the US Defence Intelligence Agency.

The part of this Mexican political narrative pertaining to guns has been adopted by some politicians and government officials in the United States in recent years. It has now become quite common to hear U.S. officials confidently note that 90 percent of the illegal guns in Mexico come from the U.S. However, a close examination of the dynamics of the cartel wars in Mexico -- and of how the oft-echoed 90 percent number was reached -- clearly demonstrate the number is more political rhetoric than fact.
Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Service Files Email

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In recent years the cartels, especially their enforcer groups such as Los Zetas, Gente Nueva and La Linea, have been increasingly using military weaponry instead of sporting arms. A close examination of the arms seized from the enforcer groups and their training camps clearly demonstrates this trend toward military ordnance, including many weapons not readily available in the United States. Some of these seizures have included M60 machine guns and hundreds of 40 mm grenades obtained from the military arsenals of countries like Guatemala.

But Guatemala is not the only source of such weapons. Latin America is awash in weapons that were shipped there over the past several decades to supply the various insurgencies and counterinsurgencies in the region. When these military-grade weapons are combined with the rampant corruption in the region, they quickly find their way into the black arms market. The Mexican cartels have supply-chain contacts that help move narcotics to Mexico from South America, and they are able to use this same network to obtain guns from the black market in South and Central America and then smuggle them into Mexico.

There has clearly been a long and well-documented history of arms smuggling across the U.S.-Mexico border, but it is important to recognize that, while the United States is a significant source of certain classes of weapons and ammunition, it is by no means the source of 90 percent of the weapons used by the Mexican cartels, as is commonly asserted.
Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Service Files Email

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In addition to the fact that many of the weapons either do not bear serial numbers or have had their serial numbers altered or obliterated, it is
important to understand that the Mexican authorities simply don't bother to submit some classes of weapons to the ATF for tracing. Such weapons include firearms they identify as coming from their own military or police forces or that they can trace back themselves as being sold through the Mexican Defense Department's Arms and Ammunition Marketing Division (UCAM). Likewise, they do not ask ATF to trace military ordnance from third countries like China and South Korean fragmentation grenades commonly used in cartel attacks.
Source: WikiLeaks, Global Intelligence Files Emails
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/17...ent-myth-.html


Firearms Trafficking: U.S. Efforts to Combat Arms Trafficking to Mexico Face Planning and Coordination Challenges
http://www.gao.gov/assets/300/291223.pdf


The New York Times: Inside the Global Intelligence Files Attack
Last December, a group of hackers quietly orchestrated an attack on Stratfor Global Intelligence Service, a company based in Austin, Tex., that analyzes geopolitical risk and publishes a newsletter for various clients, among them the Departments of Homeland Security and Defense.

Read here: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...ratfor-attack/

Note: the information above is a small sample of Global Intelligence Files emails.
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Old 05-03-2013, 11:39 PM   #53
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Speaking of Mexico, amid the many facts Obama should be more concerned about smuggled Islamic extremists across U.S.-Mexico border. News stories from the Middle East, Southeast Asia and allowed insurgent groups in Africa is not readily discussed in the U.S. - In addition, the growing Islamic extremists in Mexico.


SOUTHWEST BORDER
A MAJORITY REPORT BY THE UNITED STATES HOUSE COMMITTEE ON HOMELAND SECURITY
SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT, INVESTIGATIONS, AND MANAGEMENT
REPRESENTATIVE MICHAEL T. McCAUL, CHAIRMAN
ONE HUNDRED TWELFTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
NOVEMBER 2012
WASHINGTON, D.C.


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The indictment further substantiates the established relationship between Hezbollah, a proxy for Iran, and Mexican drug cartels, which control secured smuggling routes into the United States. From there the Somalis would make their way to Belize and then Mexico in order to cross illegally into the United States.
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When asked by investigators if he had ever helped members of al-Shabaab illegally enter the United States, Tracy answered that members of al-Shabaab had indeed asked for his assistance but that he declined to help them. In spite of this denial, investigators discovered an ominous email message from Tracy where he wrote: i helped a lot of Somalis and most are good but there are some who are bad and i leave them to ALLAH21
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In May of 2012, the Los Angeles Times reported that intelligence gleaned from the 2011 raid on Osama bin Ladens compound indicated the worlds most wanted terrorist sought to use operatives with valid Mexican passports who could illegally cross into the United States to conduct terror operations.
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Somali who smuggled Islamic extremists across U.S.-Mexico border gets 10 years in San Antonio, Texas. Ahmed Muhammed Dhakane, a 25-year-old Somali national, received 10 years in federal prison after he pleaded guilty to making false statements in his asylum application.

Whats most troubling about this case is how much potential damage this one fellow has done to American national security, compared to the scant attention hes gotten in the press (at least outside San Antonio).
http://homeland.house.gov/sites/home...n-the-Sand.pdf

There is so much information in the U.S. Government Report that it will make your head spin.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:48 AM   #54
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Obama illegally sells American guns to Mexican drug cartels and then has the temerity to go down there and assert that American guns are causing violence in Mexico like it isn't his fault. Well no shit, he should know. He sold the guns to the Mexican cartels. Beyond the guns Obama put into Mexico does he have any evidence to substantiate his claim? I mean aside from the American guns the American President had sold to Mexican cartels that ultimately claimed the life of an American border patrol agent.

That's some brassy Machiavellian shit there.
Do you have any to support yours?
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The title is just wrong. The article claims that he said that "Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States".

That's so far from "blaming" the violence on US guns that it isn't funny.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:31 AM   #56
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Obama blames American guns for Mexican deaths: ‘Most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States’

By David Martosko

The president omitted mention of Operation Fast and Furious, his Department of Justice’s program that ‘walked’ thousands of guns across the border.

President Obama used a speech at Mexico’s Museo Nacional de Antropologa – the National Anthropology Museum – to claim that ‘most of the guns used to commit violence here in Mexico come from the United States.’

‘I think many of you know that in America, our Constitution guarantees our individual right to bear arms,’ Obama said. ‘And as president, I swore an oath to uphold that right, and I always will.’

‘But at the same time, as I’ve said in the United States, I will continue to do everything in my power to pass common-sense reforms that keep guns out of the hands of criminals and dangerous people.’

‘That can save lives here in Mexico and back home in the United States,’ Obama added. ‘It’s the right thing to do.’

The president did not say if he was specifically referring to the illegal trafficking of firearms across the U.S.-Mexico border, but Senate testimony in 2011 from a top Department of Justice official indicates that he may be correct.

Lanny Breuer, then the Assistant Attorney General, referred a Senate Judiciary subcommittee to statistics showing that 94,000 weapons had been recovered from Mexican drug cartels in the previous five years, including 64,000 – a 70 per cent ratio – that could be traced back to the United States.

But there are no statistics widely available to show what percentage of Mexico’s violent crime is tied to the illegal drug trade.

While Mexican citizens have their own constitutional right to bear arms, Mexico City has only a single licensed gun shop and the nation’s military controls it, according to a 2009 National Public Radio broadcast.

In part because they lack legal avenues to purchase the weapons they are entitled to own, Mexicans have turned to a black market – including guns purchased in the U.S. and smuggled to the south.

Changes in the Mexican army, including a slow-down in Central American armed conflicts, have brought record numbers of military desertions, dumping countless guns into the private market. According to some news reports, at least 150,000 desertions were recorded between 2003 and 2009.

Obama also did not mention the more than 2,000 firearms that his Department of Justice ‘walked’ across the Mexican border as part of Operation Fast and Furious, a federal law enforcement project that aimed to track weapons to drug traffickers.

Those guns have been connected to the deaths of at least 300 Mexican citizens. And U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry died in December 2010 when a so-called ‘Fast and Furious gun’ was recovered at the scene of his murder during a routine patrol in Arizona.

An ensuing Congressional investigation led to the first-ever citation of a sitting cabinet member – Attorney General Eric Holder – for contempt of Congress. Holder declined to provide most of the more than 140,000 documents subpoenaed by a House committee, although the Department of Justice did selectively turn over thousands of others.

The term gun ‘walking’ referred to the administration-approved practice of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) of instructing legal gun dealers to sell firearms to so-called ‘straw buyers’ who intended to pass them on to others.

Once sold, the guns would be ‘walked’ across the U.S.-Mexico border with the permission of federal authorities. While their intention was to follow more than 2,000 guns to their destinations inside the illicit Mexican drug trade, only a handful – principally the weapons used in murders and then discarded at the scene, as is common in Mexico – were ever recovered.

Some gun rights groups have argued that Operation Fast and Furious was intentionally devised as a way to promote gun control, citing emails between senior ATF officials that discussed whether the Fast and Furious guns in one region ‘were all purchased from the same [dealer] and at one time.’
‘We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales,’ one email read.

In another, one ATF leader wrote to another that Fast and Furious ‘could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case.’


ATF’s intention, ultimately scrapped under political pressure, was to increase reporting requirements on licensed gun dealers when they sell more than one weapon in a single transaction.

A White House spokesman didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment about whether President Obama was referring to Fast and Furious weapons in his speech.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2SHG4IL8m


Hysterics ensues in major international news agencies.
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So here's a question....if drugs were legal in the US would they be killing people in Mexico.......

What's really the root cause here? Clearly history has shown that prohibition doesn't cause crime.....
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I would rather focus on Pete's total dependency on Drudge than on any OP produced by Pete, yes.



That is not my rule, no.



Grow some thicker skin, bro. Pete's Drudge-addiction is not worth jumping in front of a bullet for.
RaiderH8r isn't the one being called out for posting a weakassed deflection so I'm not sure how the thickness of his skin matters any. But since you come right out and admit you're only purpose here is to bitch and whine about pete maybe you should try some of that medicine yourself.
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RaiderH8r isn't the one being called out for posting a weakassed deflection so I'm not sure how the thickness of his skin matters any. But since you come right out and admit you're only purpose here is to bitch and whine about pete maybe you should try some of that medicine yourself.
Hey, if pete needs his food chewed for him by Drudge, we might as well make that information public.
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