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Old 05-03-2013, 05:31 PM  
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Keep Stone Mountain carving a Confederate Memorial

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?



The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history? There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me. A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed.

Read what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.”

A online poll currently shows 95 percent of the people want to keep the Stone Mountain Carving of our heroes Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson as it is.

Let me caution you with this poll that we also won most of the polls for the 1956 Georgia “Soldier’s Memorial flag” our official State flag of Georgia conceived by Judge John Sammons Bells that was unceremoniously taken down in 2001. They did not listen to the people of Georgia back then.

Mississippian’s however, were allowed to vote on their 1890s State flag, that also includes the Confederate Battle flag in the design, and they chose to keep it. Georgian’s were allowed to vote on a State flag but their 1956 flag with the Confederate flag it its design, was excluded in the vote. Democracy was at work in Mississippi but not Georgia.

Stone Mountain has been filmed many times including in the 1954 movie “A Man called Peter” starring Richard Todd as Reverend Peter Marshall and Jean Peters as his wife.

Take the time to learn about the South’s President Jefferson Davis, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Gen. Stonewall Jackson who died 150 years ago on May 10, 1863 and share with your family.

Jefferson and wife Varina Davis adopted a Black child, Jim Limber Davis, in February 1864 and…

Booker T. Washington, America’s great Black-American Educator wrote in 1910, ‘The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday-school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Let’s not erase history!


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54938


A native of Georgia, Calvin Johnson, Chairman of the National and Georgia Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Confederate History Month Committee—-Scv.org lives near the historic town of Kennesaw and he’s a member of the Chattahoochee Guards Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is the author of the book “When America Stood for God, Family and Country.” Calvin can be reached at: cjohnson1861@bellsouth.net

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Old 05-06-2013, 08:48 AM   #211
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Well, then, we have numerous monuments and memorials built by traitors to the Crown sitting all over the colonial east coast of America: Bunker Hill Monument, Concord and Lexington Visitor's Center, the reenactment of that battle in Concord and Lexington each April, Saratoga, Yorktown et al. How dare those traitors!!!
He subscribes to the "might makes right" principle. Since those traitors won their war, they're not the same as the traitors who lost the Civil War in his mind (even though they both did the same thing).

I don't have a big problem with "might makes right", particularly in international affairs, but in this case, southerners are our brothers and I don't see any reason to continue to emasculate them after 150 years.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:53 AM   #212
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He subscribes to the "might makes right" principle. Since those traitors won their war, they're not the same as the traitors who lost the Civil War in his mind (even though they both did the same thing).

I don't have a big problem with "might makes right", particularly in international affairs, but in this case, southerners are our brothers and I don't see any reason to continue to emasculate them after 150 years.
I'm glad you pointed out your hypocrisy about enforcing your will on people who don't welcome it. It's good to know that you too can spot your inconsistencies. Where's their "natural law"? Nothing a few hundred thousand US troops can't take care of.



Comparing leaving England to the South seceding is about the dumbest point I've read on this board. Some wars are legit, some are not. a 5th grader knows that.
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Old 05-06-2013, 08:58 AM   #213
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Comparing leaving England to the South seceding is about the dumbest point I've read on this board.
Well, it is the same thing. Whether or not you think one secession is legit and the other not legit, they are still the same thing.

That any American would justify the slaughter of over 600,000 Americans to right a wrong is insanity. It was a tragedy.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:11 AM   #214
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:18 AM   #215
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Probably because people feel Gettysburg was a battle for the right side of History whereas the Stone Mountain etch features traitors who lost.


(I don't advocate it being removed. Just noting that they did in fact betray their country and they did in fact lose)
BTW, anyone can be for a war that takes place on the pages of a history book over a hundred years later. People look at such wars differently at the time they occur. When one reads of a war in a history book, they pay no price and of course, the narrative is always written by the victors.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:22 AM   #216
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No, not all secessions are "the same thing". Your mental gymnastics are fun to observe on this. And yes, everyone thinks the Civil War was a tragedy. Who doesn't?
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:25 AM   #217
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No, not all secessions are "the same thing". Your mental gymnastics are fun to observe on this. And yes, everyone thinks the Civil War was a tragedy. Who doesn't?
Accusing one of that doesn't make it true. Asserting such doesn't make it so.

No, a secession is a secession. It has a definition Period! Keep it simple.

You're the one projecting mental gymnastics by getting your categories confused. Logic relies on accurate classification. What you are disagreeing with is whether or a not a secession is valid—in your eyes. That relies on who is doing the seceding and who isn't which is a different aspect of arguing about secession. Nevertheless, they are still secessions.

Now, are you going to tell me what natural law and natural rights are?
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:47 AM   #218
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I'm glad you pointed out your hypocrisy about enforcing your will on people who don't welcome it. It's good to know that you too can spot your inconsistencies. Where's their "natural law"? Nothing a few hundred thousand US troops can't take care of.
Much like you, I'm sure, I don't know what you're talking about. What is it that you think is hypocrisy? Try to put it together in a coherent statement that describes what you're thinking.

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Comparing leaving England to the South seceding is about the dumbest point I've read on this board. Some wars are legit, some are not. a 5th grader knows that.
The definition of secession isn't dependent on value judgments like that. Some wars are legit and some are not, but they're all still wars.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:52 AM   #219
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You're the one projecting mental gymnastics by getting your categories confused. Logic relies on accurate classification. What you are disagreeing with is whether or a not a secession is valid—in your eyes. That relies on who is doing the seceding and who isn't which is a different aspect of arguing about secession. Nevertheless, they are still secessions.
Sure, and all shootings are still shootings. Justifications be damned.
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:54 AM   #220
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Sure, and all shootings are still shootings. Justifications be damned.
Well, it's a fact this country was founded on secession and there is a tradition of resorting to it in language or in deed from time to time. In fact, there was a slew of petition to the WH seeking permission. As if they actually had to seek permission.

Now can you tell me what a natural right and natural law are?
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:57 AM   #221
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Now can you tell me what a natural right and natural law are?
Yes, but only when you admit that secession is disallowed by the Constitution and that you were wrong to say it wasn't.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:01 AM   #222
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Yes, but only when you admit that secession is disallowed by the Constitution and that you were wrong to say it wasn't.
That's not an answer.

I don't have to compromise my integrity to see if you know what a natural right and law are. You know I won't. You can't answer it, is what you're saying.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:43 AM   #223
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That's not an answer.

I don't have to compromise my integrity to see if you know what a natural right and law are. You know I won't. You can't answer it, is what you're saying.
I don't know I'd call your ignorance here "integrity".
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That's not an answer.

I don't have to compromise my integrity to see if you know what a natural right and law are. You know I won't. You can't answer it, is what you're saying.
I wouldn't worry about it. You did that long, long ago.

You still believe that slaves needed to be slaves for their own good?
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