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Old 05-03-2013, 05:31 PM  
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Keep Stone Mountain carving a Confederate Memorial

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?



The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history? There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me. A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed.

Read what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.”

A online poll currently shows 95 percent of the people want to keep the Stone Mountain Carving of our heroes Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson as it is.

Let me caution you with this poll that we also won most of the polls for the 1956 Georgia “Soldier’s Memorial flag” our official State flag of Georgia conceived by Judge John Sammons Bells that was unceremoniously taken down in 2001. They did not listen to the people of Georgia back then.

Mississippian’s however, were allowed to vote on their 1890s State flag, that also includes the Confederate Battle flag in the design, and they chose to keep it. Georgian’s were allowed to vote on a State flag but their 1956 flag with the Confederate flag it its design, was excluded in the vote. Democracy was at work in Mississippi but not Georgia.

Stone Mountain has been filmed many times including in the 1954 movie “A Man called Peter” starring Richard Todd as Reverend Peter Marshall and Jean Peters as his wife.

Take the time to learn about the South’s President Jefferson Davis, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Gen. Stonewall Jackson who died 150 years ago on May 10, 1863 and share with your family.

Jefferson and wife Varina Davis adopted a Black child, Jim Limber Davis, in February 1864 and…

Booker T. Washington, America’s great Black-American Educator wrote in 1910, ‘The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday-school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Let’s not erase history!


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54938


A native of Georgia, Calvin Johnson, Chairman of the National and Georgia Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Confederate History Month Committee—-Scv.org lives near the historic town of Kennesaw and he’s a member of the Chattahoochee Guards Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is the author of the book “When America Stood for God, Family and Country.” Calvin can be reached at: cjohnson1861@bellsouth.net

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Old 05-03-2013, 06:41 PM   #16
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I found it interesting that both the north and the south built armored ships, which is quite ingenious btw.

And they happened to come out and attack each other practically at the same time, what are the odds of that happening?

One of those ships in that time could tear apart an entire navy's fleet back in those days, crazy.

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Old 05-03-2013, 06:43 PM   #17
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I found it interesting that both the north and the south built armored ships, which is quite ingenious btw.

And they happened to come out and attack each other practically at the same time, what are the odds of that happening?

One of those ships in that time could tear apart an entire navy's fleet back in those, crazy.
And some were built by the French but were never delivered to the confederates. Interesting stuff really
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Old 05-03-2013, 06:44 PM   #18
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:01 PM   #19
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You'll have to explain what the end o the Articles of Confederation meant when it closed with "The Union shall be perpetual."
The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states. They were perpetual...but could be amended. In fact that was the original plan when the Founders met in Philly. Instead we got a runaway convention. I don't know why you're bringing the Articles up because it what was done at the CC resulted in a breach of contract. The Articles also provided for what was considered a weak central govt. I doubt the south would have had a problem under it.
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:04 PM   #20
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:15 PM   #21
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The Articles established the United States of America as a confederation of sovereign states. They were perpetual...but could be amended. In fact that was the original plan when the Founders met in Philly. Instead we got a runaway convention. I don't know why you're bringing the Articles up because it what was done at the CC resulted in a breach of contract.
You're rarely wrong, so I find your historical revisionism here so....peculiar. The words "Union" and "perpetual" are simple words that have no alternative meanings. Trying to wiggle out of such plainspeak is tortured logic. The Founders knew what that said and they knew what it meant. Then they signed it.


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That only strengthens my point further. They didn't object to perpetuity in the weak version, and then they agreed to an even stronger one after.
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:16 PM   #22
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Was it a bad idea for the Germans to erase the period of 1933-1945 via de-Nazification?
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:20 PM   #23
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:26 PM   #24
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Erase, no. But some parts of it don't exactly need to be celebrated.
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:27 PM   #25
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You're rarely wrong, so I find your historical revisionism here so....peculiar. The words "Union" and "perpetual" are simple words that have no alternative meanings. Trying to wiggle out of such plainspeak is tortured logic.The Founders knew what that said and they knew what it meant. Then they signed it.
You can read the notes from the convention. It's not twisted logic at all it's what was discussed. Then there's the fundamental principles of the Declaration of Independence.

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No, it doesn't because it was discussed at the convention. I've studied this. They debated the use of force if a state wanted to leave and scrapped it. It was considered a voluntary union. Even the papers during the Civil War discussed the union being voluntary.
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No, it doesn't because it was discussed at the convention. I've studied this. They debated the use of force if a state wanted to leave and scrapped it. It was considered a voluntary union. Even the papers during the Civil War discussed the union being voluntary.

Fair enough, no sense debating this. The Supreme Court already ruled in the 1880s in Texas v White that states (in that case Texas) have no right to secede. So it really doesn't even matter what you or I believe the Founders wanted since it's now Constitutional Law.

Going forward any attempt to secede will be viewed as a violation of a contract and will not be allowed. Peaceful breaks can and do happen but it's not a unilateral decision.
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Old 05-03-2013, 07:38 PM   #29
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Fair enough, no sense debating this. The Supreme Court already ruled in the 1880s in Texas v White that states (in that case Texas) have no right to secede. So it really doesn't even matter what you or I believe the Founders wanted since it's now Constitutional Law.
I don't care what the SC said. They can make errors and they do. I don't expect the courts who work for the state to protect our natural rights. They always expand their powers. If that's the case on this, then they have trashed the Declaration of Independence too. It's like saying we have to put up with tyranny in perpetuity. That's what the Second Amendment was for as well. This is what you're defending.

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Tell me, do you feel this also applies to the break up of the Soviet Union too?
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I don't care what the SC said. They can make errors and they do. I don't expect the courts who work for the state to protect our natural rights. They always expand their powers. If that's the case on this, then they have trashed the Declaration of Independence too. It's like saying we have to put up with tyranny in perpetuity. That's what the Second Amendment was for as well. This is what you're defending.
I'm speaking of secession in legal context. You are bringing in "tyranny" and other justifications for the act. That's outside the scope of what I'm discussing. Focus on the topic we began with - what the Founders intended. We disagree on that. Moving onward we see the SC make the next decision. And it's not been debated in the past 130 years since. That's the scope.



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