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Old 05-03-2013, 06:31 PM  
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Keep Stone Mountain carving a Confederate Memorial

A young man asked me why do they want to change the carving at Stone Mountain Park?



The question should also be why do some people continue to try erasing history? There is a petition drive to change the beautiful historic carving at Stone Mountain Memorial Park near Atlanta, Georgia? See news story from 11 Alive of Atlanta, Georgia including their interview with me. A special thank you to Mr. Dan Coleman who participated in the debate that followed.

Read what I said including, “Like previous campaigns criticizing other Confederate Memorials, he sees the petition to remove the carving of Jefferson, Lee and Jackson as an attack on the truth.”

A online poll currently shows 95 percent of the people want to keep the Stone Mountain Carving of our heroes Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson as it is.

Let me caution you with this poll that we also won most of the polls for the 1956 Georgia “Soldier’s Memorial flag” our official State flag of Georgia conceived by Judge John Sammons Bells that was unceremoniously taken down in 2001. They did not listen to the people of Georgia back then.

Mississippian’s however, were allowed to vote on their 1890s State flag, that also includes the Confederate Battle flag in the design, and they chose to keep it. Georgian’s were allowed to vote on a State flag but their 1956 flag with the Confederate flag it its design, was excluded in the vote. Democracy was at work in Mississippi but not Georgia.

Stone Mountain has been filmed many times including in the 1954 movie “A Man called Peter” starring Richard Todd as Reverend Peter Marshall and Jean Peters as his wife.

Take the time to learn about the South’s President Jefferson Davis, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Gen. Stonewall Jackson who died 150 years ago on May 10, 1863 and share with your family.

Jefferson and wife Varina Davis adopted a Black child, Jim Limber Davis, in February 1864 and…

Booker T. Washington, America’s great Black-American Educator wrote in 1910, ‘The first white people in America, certainly the first in the South to exhibit their interest in the reaching of the Negro and saving his soul through the medium of the Sunday-school were Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson.”

Let’s not erase history!


http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/54938


A native of Georgia, Calvin Johnson, Chairman of the National and Georgia Division, Sons of Confederate Veterans, Confederate History Month Committee—-Scv.org lives near the historic town of Kennesaw and he’s a member of the Chattahoochee Guards Camp, Sons of Confederate Veterans. He is the author of the book “When America Stood for God, Family and Country.” Calvin can be reached at: cjohnson1861@bellsouth.net

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Old 05-04-2013, 07:23 PM   #91
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Excellent quote from the man who married the great-step granddaughter of George Washington and the great great-granddaughter of Martha Washington—both of whom freed their slaves in their wills upon their deaths. George toyed with many ways to free his slaves including providing them training first otherwise they would not make it in life outside of slavery.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:25 PM   #92
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Yes it does. The parts that don't are in response to you claims on my stands regarding privacy, Roe v Wade etc.
On the one hand, Prison Bitch cites a SCOTUS ruling as definitive proof that the Constitution prohibits secession from the Union, but on the other hand he criticizes the SCOTUS for "imputing rights" in Roe v Wade. I'd say he's experiencing some cognitive dissonance.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:26 PM   #93
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Yes it does. The parts that don't are in response to you claims on my stands regarding privacy, Roe v Wade etc.
I just wish you'd apply strict constructionist theory to all matters and not pick and choose the ones that you like best.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:27 PM   #94
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I just wish you'd apply strict constructionist theory to all matters and not pick and choose the ones that you like best.
I did.

Oh and I edited that post.
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On the one hand, Prison Bitch cites a SCOTUS ruling as definitive proof that the Constitution prohibits secession from the Union, but on the other hand he criticizes the SCOTUS for "imputing rights" in Roe v Wade. I'd say he's experiencing some cognitive dissonance.
Wow that's dumb. Roe and secession are not defined in the Constitution as rights therefore both lack any explicit justification. You're smarter than this.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:28 PM   #96
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On the one hand, Prison Bitch cites a SCOTUS ruling as definitive proof that the Constitution prohibits secession from the Union, but on the other hand he criticizes the SCOTUS for "imputing rights" in Roe v Wade. I'd say he's experiencing some cognitive dissonance.
Yup! So much for strict construction.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:30 PM   #97
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Wow that's dumb. Roe and secession are not defined in the Constitution as rights therefore both lack any explicit justification. You're smarter than this.
No but Roe would be covered as being something for a state to decide under the Tenth Amendment. The SC should have never taken the case.

Secession need not be defined is what you're not getting. Only the powers of the Federal govt are defined in the Constitution.
There is no defined, enumerated or delegated power to stop a state from leaving—particularly peacefully.

The TENTH Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Also the Ninth.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:35 PM   #98
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From The Tenth Amendment Center

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This article will talk about the moral and legal basis of secession – which is addressed pointedly in the Declaration of Independence under the section which lists the sovereign rights held by the individual and which is NOT addressed anywhere in the Constitution. Thus, the right is left to the People and the States, under the 9th and 10th Amendments, respectively. Even more fundamentally, the right of secession comes from the “Compact Theory of Government,” the doctrine that holds members of society together in a government system and gives it a legal basis.

That compact theory is a term that was used commonly in the days of our founding, up until the time of the Civil War. It was addressed in the Declaration (governments “derive their just powers from the consent of the governed”), in the Debates in the Constitutional Convention of 1787, in the various state ratification conventions, and in the various articles and declarations of secession adopted by the 11 southern states. In fact, if you read the North Carolina Ratifying Convention notes, the approximately 300 delegates specifically take note of certain fundamental government principles before deliberating on the Constitution drafted in Philadelphia. The first principle is the Compact Theory of government. Our Declaration, while defining our nation’s ideals, is actually a secessionist document. It makes the case for the right of the American colonies to sever its political bonds with Great Britain. And what theory did our Founding Fathers use to support their case? The Compact Theory (“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends” – ie, it’s obligation to protect the rights of the people – “it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government.”) Furthermore, the states’ rights’ doctrines of Nullification and Interposition, articulated by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, respectively, are based on the compact theory. as well as on our federal system (10th Amendment) and the Supremacy Clause.
Read the entire thing. Secession is a Natural Right

http://northcarolina.tenthamendmentc...rom-the-union/
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No but Roe would be covered as being something for a state to decide under the Tenth Amendment. The SC should have never taken the case.
Obviously.



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Secession need not be defined is what you're not getting. Only the powers of the Federal govt are defined in the Constitution.
There is no defined, enumerated or delegated power to stop a state from leaving—particularly peacefully.

Other than the Supreme Court? You might want to re-read the section on the Judiciary powers. It will prevent simple mistakes such as this.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii
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Excellent quote from the man who married the great-step granddaughter of George Washington and the great great-granddaughter of Martha Washington—both of whom freed their slaves in their wills upon their deaths. George toyed with many ways to free his slaves including providing them training first otherwise they would not make it in life outside of slavery.
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Excellent quote from the man who married the great-step granddaughter of George Washington and the great great-granddaughter of Martha Washington—both of whom freed their slaves in their wills upon their deaths. George toyed with many ways to free his slaves including providing them training first otherwise they would not make it in life outside of slavery.
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Old 05-04-2013, 07:56 PM   #102
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Other than the Supreme Court? You might want to re-read the section on the Judiciary powers. It will prevent simple mistakes such as this.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii
Nope. That doesn't do it. The courts err. If that's correct than Roe v Wade was correct. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Remember lawyers are trained in positivist law more than anything. Anyone can place a judicial activist or a judge with an agenda on the courts.
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Nope. That doesn't do it. The courts err. If that's correct than Roe v Wade was correct. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Remember lawyers are trained in positivist law more than anything. Anyone can place a judicial activist or a judge with an agenda on the courts.

Am I really reading this nonsense? I provide the enumerated power of the Court in the Constitution to regulate disputes between States. You ignore the Constitution based on.....potential bias of lawyers?


You cannot possibly be this unserious.
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Under the definition of treason as per the Constitution (which Buc hasn't read yet), Arnold and Lee were both guilty.
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Am I really reading this nonsense? I provide the enumerated power of the Court in the Constitution to regulate disputes between States. You ignore the Constitution based on.....potential bias of lawyers?


You cannot possibly be this unserious.
So if going by the Court, then I take it you support its judicial activism.

I don't need the court to interpret for me. I just need to read it.
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