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Old 05-05-2013, 10:43 AM  
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Founding Father of the American Leviathan State

Abraham Lincoln

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For all those who love liberty and limited government....as well as those who need to be schooled about gargantuan government...here is a course that lays it all out.


The course consists of five lectures of 45-60 minutes, followed by 30-45 minutes of Q&A. Everything is online of course, and the lectures and discussions are archived, so that you don't have to be physically there from 5:30 to 7:00 for the next five Thursdays. Here are the nightly topics:

WEEK 1: THE TRUTH ABOUT LINCOLN, RACE, AND SLAVERY

WEEK 2: WHY LINCOLN WAS ELECTED: THE FOUNDING FATHER OF CRONY CAPITALISM

WEEK 3: WAGING WAR ON THE CONSTITUTION: THE LINCOLN DICTATORSHIP

WEEK 4: FOUNDING FATHER OF THE AMERICAN WARFARE STATE

WEEK 5: THE LINCOLN CURSE: DICTATORSHIP, MILITARISM, AND ECONOMIC FASCISM

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Old 05-07-2013, 06:48 AM   #46
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Neither did Lincoln. And let's be honest here, there were free black men, even in the south that also owned slaves.
Mainly in New Orleans. A free black regiment asked to join the Confederates (wierd). They were rejected. Guess which Government allowed them to fight. (Linocln's)

And the north was not nearly afraid of Free Blacks like the south.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:50 AM   #47
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I guess those make sense. Did they get any traction?
Not really. The South wasn't going to give up slavery. Even in union occupied Confederate land, Lincoln attempted to end slavery at the state level. (Like LA). Never really worked.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:51 AM   #48
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So what if I do.

But your adding the word "only" is a lie. I talk about plenty of issues and other politicians. Lincoln just happens to come up and as a hero or great emancipator. That's just not the truth.


I don't have to explain that when this is a political forum where this is what goes on about politicians.

However, telling the truth about a president who is the most whitewashed is not an attack. It's an attack if it's not true. I like to know the truth. That is not dishonest. What is dishonest is the whitewashing of the so-called Honest Abe who was not honest but a politician with an agenda. And I have mainly covered how he dealt secession and his subsequent war—not who put him in power and what for. However, if you want to know, I don't think he was all bad either. For he was going to grant the South mercy after the war; even forgive them their war debts for which he was assassinated. The Radical Republicans were a pretty nasty bunch. Because Johnson was going to carry out his same plan of mercy for which he was impeached. There are plenty of other unsavory characters at the time...as there usually are in politics—a very dirty business.

As for "practically everyone at the time as guilty of" are not my words. They're yours.This is what you do.
I never said it was a quote of yours. And I have yet to see you attack any party of the Civil War besides Lincoln.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:55 AM   #49
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I guess those make sense. Did they get any traction?
Here is some reading on Gradual Emancipation if you are interested:

http://cwemancipation.wordpress.com/...ns-last-stand/


Since early March 1862, Abraham Lincoln had lobbied the remaining loyal border states to embrace a plan of gradual compensated emancipation. His efforts had met with steadfast refusal by slaveholders there determined to hold on to their human property and believing their loyalty did nothing but strengthen their claim to their slaves. If anything, the loyal slaveholders in the Border States in July 1862 were angry with President Lincoln for not doing more to help them reclaim their slaves that had found sanctuary with Union forces, and for signing bills to prevent the army from returning slaves in March and emancipating slaves in the District of Columbia in April."
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:16 AM   #50
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So what if I do.

But your adding the word "only" is a lie. I talk about plenty of issues and other politicians. Lincoln just happens to come up and as a hero or great emancipator. That's just not the truth.

Err....wait. WHO exactly emancipated the slaves then? Did I miss where Jeff Davis did that? Or perhaps the great Robert E. Lee did it and the historians (except the excellent ones writing on Lewrockwell.com (a/k/a BEP'sBrain.com) have uncovered that long forgotten fact?


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However, telling the truth about a president who is the most whitewashed is not an attack. It's an attack if it's not true.
You're confusing "attack" with slander or libel, but that's the least of your mistakes.

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I like to know the truth.
Then seek more sources and for God's sake start to learn how to think critically. Your woefully inability to separate fact from fiction undermines everything else.

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That is not dishonest. What is dishonest is the whitewashing of the so-called Honest Abe who was not honest but a politician with an agenda.
Heroes get built up, and overbuilt. Obviously he was a politician and obviously he had an agenda. Pretty pathetic politician if he didn't. That agenda wasn't what you seem to think, but that's another story.

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However, if you want to know, I don't think he was all bad either.
A great relief to us all to know that he wasn't Satan incarnate in your eyes.


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For he was going to grant the South mercy after the war; even forgive them their war debts for which he was assassinated.
Wait, whoa, what? He was assassinated for their WAR DEBTS?! Seriously?
When he jumped down from Lincoln's box, did he shout "War debts! We won't pay 'em!!"

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The Radical Republicans were a pretty nasty bunch.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Well done. Of course, they were a bit ticked off at the whole rebellion thing. That does tend to happen.
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:21 AM   #51
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Mainly in New Orleans. A free black regiment asked to join the Confederates (wierd). They were rejected. Guess which Government allowed them to fight. (Linocln's)

And the north was not nearly afraid of Free Blacks like the south.
One of the best quotes of Southern thinking, from Howell Cobb, former Speaker of the US House, governor of Georgia, a founder of the Confederacy, and Confederate General.

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You cannot make soldiers of slaves, or slaves of soldiers. The day you make a soldier of them is the beginning of the end of the Revolution. And if slaves seem good soldiers, then our whole theory of slavery is wrong
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:13 PM   #52
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Really? Should I get the post out where you put a thumbs up to me about Lincoln on some of these things from a few years back...where you thanked me for posting them?
Marshall law, suspension of habeas corpus, and an expanding role for the federal government, yeah....okay.

Not the bat-shit crazy, lunatic fringe, over-the-top, moronic diatribe and crap you've spewed in this thread though.
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:17 PM   #53
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:21 PM   #54
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Next payday, have a look at your pay stub to see how much the government stole. Then look here to see how the moonbats in charge have been spending your money:

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/05/02/.../#.UYlSXvVy2QG
Government didn't steal anything. Voters who wanted the government to steal for them, are the culprits.
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