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Old 05-05-2013, 06:03 PM  
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Bengahzi ? Wh Knew, Who lied, who turned a blind eye and deaf ears ?

Bengahzi, we all knew it was a cover up, millions of Americans was blind and deaf, yet still voted for a POTUS and staff that lied and covered it up.

Do you feel better about the POTUS now since this happened? ( as in your own twisted political view , you feel he was the right choice as POTUS )

Same, as in who cares?

Worst ?

So where do you stand about the current staff and the way Bengahzi was handled now ?
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:54 AM   #211
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Oh this has the potential to take down more than just Hillary
Obama is untouchable. Just how it is. Anyone with a brain thats payed attention knows where Barry's mind was at that time. Nevada.
Hillary on the other hand & IMO will be destroyed.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:09 PM   #212
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Not sure. I have only seen bits & pieces of that hearing. I can only take about 30 seconds of her mug on my TV before I start gagging & dry heaving


obama has the same effect on me
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:13 PM   #213
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:18 PM   #214
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A mysterious Libyan ship -- reportedly carrying weapons and bound for Syrian rebels -- may have some link to the Sept. 11 terror attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Fox News has learned.

Through shipping records, Fox News has confirmed that the Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on Sept. 6, just five days before Ambassador Chris Stevens, information management officer Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed during an extended assault by more than 100 Islamist militants.

On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time.

Although what was discussed at the meeting is not public, a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi to negotiate a weapons transfer, an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists. And although the negotiation said to have taken place may have had nothing to do with the attack on the consulate later that night or the Libyan mystery ship, it could explain why Stevens was travelling in such a volatile region on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

When asked to comment, a State Department spokeswoman dismissed the idea, saying Stevens was there for diplomatic meetings, and to attend the opening of a cultural center.

A congressional source also cautioned against drawing premature conclusions about the consulate attack and the movement of weapons from Libya to Syria via Turkey -- noting they may in fact be two separate and distinct events. But the source acknowledged the timing and the meeting between the Turkish diplomat and Stevens was "unusual."

According to an initial Sept. 14 report by the Times of London, Al Entisar was carrying 400 tons of cargo. Some of it was humanitarian, but also reportedly weapons, described by the report as the largest consignment of weapons headed for Syria's rebels on the frontlines.

"This is the Libyan ship ... which is basically carrying weapons that are found in Libya," said Walid Phares, a Fox News Middle East and terrorism analyst. "So the ship came all the way up to Iskenderun in Turkey. Now from the information that is available, there was aid material, but there were also weapons, a lot of weapons."

The cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.

The ship's Libyan captain told the Times of London that "I can only talk about the medicine and humanitarian aid" for the Syrian rebels. It was reported there was a fight about the weapons and who got what "between the free Syrian Army and the Muslim Brotherhood."

"The point is that both of these weapons systems are extremely accurate and very simple to use," Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt explained. He said the passage of weapons from Libya to Syria would escalate the conflict. "With a short amount of instruction, you've got somebody capable of taking down any, any aircraft. Anywhere in the world."

The Foundation for Human Rights, and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH) -- the group accused of moving the weapons -- disputed the claims and in published Turkish reports said it "will take legal action against this article which was written without concrete evidence. It is defamatory, includes false and unfair accusations and violates publishing ethics."

Information uncovered in a Fox News investigation raises questions about whether weapons used to arm the Libyan rebels are now surfacing in Syria.

In March 2011, the Reuters news service first reported that President Obama had authorized a "secret order ... (allowing) covert U.S. government support for rebel forces" to push the Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi from office.

At a hearing on March 31, before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, several lawmakers raised concerns about the finding reported by the Reuters news service and whether the Obama administration knew who constituted the rebel forces and whether Islamists were among their ranks.

"What assurances do we have that they will not pose a threat to the United States if they succeed in toppling Qaddafi?" Republican Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., asked. "There are reports that some opposition figures have links to Al Qaeda and extremist groups that have fought against our forces in Iraq."

While the source of the weapons used to attack the consulate is part of an ongoing investigation, former CIA Director Porter Goss told Fox News there was no question some of the weapons that flooded Libya during the uprising are making their way to Syria -- adding that the U.S. intelligence community must be aware, given their presence in Benghazi.

"Absolutely. I think there's no question that there's a lot of networking going on. And ... of course we know it."

A month after the October 2011 death of Qaddafi, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced in Tripoli that the U.S. was committing $40 million to help Libya "secure and recover its weapons stockpiles." Earlier this year, Assistant Secretary of State for Political and Military Affairs Andrew Shapiro expressed concerns that the situation on the ground was far from under control.

Speaking to the Stimson Center in Washington D.C., on Feb. 2, Shapiro said: "This raises the question -- how many are still missing? The frank answer is we don't know and probably never will."



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Old 05-09-2013, 12:24 PM   #215
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:27 PM   #216
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Missing weapons? Get Holder on the phone pronto.....
It would be nice if that ****ing puke had a major roll in this some how.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:31 PM   #217
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I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

1. It means the President willingly lied to the American people. Not the first time in history this has happened, nor the last, but in the throws of an election it may have had huge consequences.

2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?


Pretty Fair , It does seem there may have been interference with a congressional investigation and coercion of witnesses. I would assume that would be a crime. I have not heard any reasonable people jumping up and down about ignoring intelligence beforehand. Iím sure there are hundreds and probably thousands of threats reported on any given day. It is simply impossible to be everywhere at the same time. The attack happened and I really see no reason to lay blame at the feet of anyone up to that point.

My question is why were the assets available not allowed to try to help? Would they arrived in time? I really canít say for sure, but why they were not allowed to even try, is a very relevant question. I donít think they just wanted to let people die but, lean towards incompetence.

The administration did go in full spin mode afterwards. Why wasnít the highest ranking person left in Libya consulted by the Administration before sending the administrations mouth piece to spew a false account of what happened not once but on 5 different talk shows. Short of death threats from the CIA to those running the media (sans FOX) I simply canít understand how they could have given this story so little attention. I mean they went into a frenzy over the Clinton BJ story but nothing but the sound of crickets on this? Once upon a time I liked President Bush Sr. then he did something that in my opinion put politics ahead of lives, and I never trusted or supported him again.

I am starting to think if the current POTUS clubbed to death a bus load of babies and fed them to a pack of wolves ant then posted a UTBUE video of him laughing about it, I would just hear it is because the republicans cut the budget and they didnít have better locks on the bus door and it wasnít as bad as what Dubya did anyway.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:30 PM   #218
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Still not as egregious a **** up as receiving a memo a month before 9/11 explicitly referring attacks on airports.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politic...enghazi-050813
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:35 PM   #219
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Exaggerating issues like this only serves to turn off voters who aren't rabidly anti-Obama. The GOP is masterful at playing to its base, but continually stressing issues like this, although tragic, only serves to undermine their critique, as it requires a willful ignorance of other tragedies orders of magnitude larger.

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Old 05-09-2013, 01:39 PM   #220
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I still think there's something being hidden that hasn't come out yet, and may never. When O'Bama and crew went with the narrative right after the attack, many were already questioning why the **** are they going with this story? Going to have to peel away a few more layers to find out what it was. Or O'Bama will try to put a stop to the investigation. Can he do what he did with Fast and Furious?
I think over the past four years this administration has become so used to a complicit media that lying has become second nature and practically risk-free. What's the downside to lying? "The only ones who are going to object is going to be RWNJ's". That works beautifully...note the liberal reaction in this thread.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:57 PM   #221
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I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

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2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?
Of the Obama haters, this is at least has a touch of reason in it. I think "gross incompetence" is a little strong. You can point to requests for increased security that weren't granted, but everyone wants more security and decisions have to be made. Would the increased security requested have stopped mortar shells or the attacks?

I truly don't understand the obsession with #2 up there. Was it a protest or an attack? Well, when mortars are fired and people storm the building, it is an attack. What motivated them to attack--an anti-Muslim video or US hatred in general? That's where Hillary's "What difference does it make?" comes in.

Fact is, there were protests and violence motivated by that video across the Middle East on that day. Saying that the video had something to do with the attackers' motivations was not outrageous. Either way, when they started firing at the consulate, it was terrorism. Was the video part of the motivation? Well, what difference does it make?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:41 PM   #222
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I just can't believe the libs continue to downplay this. It just goes to show how corrupt this whole liberal culture has become.

Five Key Points from May 8 Benghazi Hearing

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...Hearing-So-Far

1. Two "stand-down" orders were given while the Benghazi attacks were in progress.

2. The "protest" about a YouTube video was a complete fabrication by the Obama administration.

3. Cheryl Mills, Clinton's lawyer at the State Department, told witnesses not to speak to House investigators.

4. The diplomatic personnel on the ground acted with incredible, unheralded heroism.

5. Democrats came to rebut the eyewitnesses with talking points.

The key question remains unanswered:

What did President Barack Obama do when he learned the consulate was under attack, and why?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:50 PM   #223
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I just can't believe the libs continue to downplay this. It just goes to show how corrupt this whole liberal culture has become.

Five Key Points from May 8 Benghazi Hearing

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...Hearing-So-Far

1. Two "stand-down" orders were given while the Benghazi attacks were in progress.

2. The "protest" about a YouTube video was a complete fabrication by the Obama administration.

3. Cheryl Mills, Clinton's lawyer at the State Department, told witnesses not to speak to House investigators.

4. The diplomatic personnel on the ground acted with incredible, unheralded heroism.

5. Democrats came to rebut the eyewitnesses with talking points.

The key question remains unanswered:

What did President Barack Obama do when he learned the consulate was under attack, and why?
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:33 PM   #225
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Of the Obama haters, this is at least has a touch of reason in it. I think "gross incompetence" is a little strong. You can point to requests for increased security that weren't granted, but everyone wants more security and decisions have to be made. Would the increased security requested have stopped mortar shells or the attacks?

I truly don't understand the obsession with #2 up there. Was it a protest or an attack? Well, when mortars are fired and people storm the building, it is an attack. What motivated them to attack--an anti-Muslim video or US hatred in general? That's where Hillary's "What difference does it make?" comes in.

Fact is, there were protests and violence motivated by that video across the Middle East on that day. Saying that the video had something to do with the attackers' motivations was not outrageous. Either way, when they started firing at the consulate, it was terrorism. Was the video part of the motivation? Well, what difference does it make?
I think it's a subtle point. If it was a video that sparked the attack, then the administration can logically adopt a vantage point of it being a 'one-time-only' incident and not adjust their foreign policy at all.

If, on the other hand, it was a planned attack for the anniversary of 9/11, then it points to a more constant threat from terrorists groups on American targets abroad, which, I hope, would trigger a re-examination of where we are deploying diplomats and how we are protecting them. (and even more importantly why, but that's the subject of a different thread.)
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