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Bengahzi ? Wh Knew, Who lied, who turned a blind eye and deaf ears ?

Bengahzi, we all knew it was a cover up, millions of Americans was blind and deaf, yet still voted for a POTUS and staff that lied and covered it up.

Do you feel better about the POTUS now since this happened? ( as in your own twisted political view , you feel he was the right choice as POTUS )

Same, as in who cares?

Worst ?

So where do you stand about the current staff and the way Bengahzi was handled now ?
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Whoa. Those forces didn't START at Singonella. They were moved TO Singonella as a result of what was happening in Benghazi, right?
One unit from Central Europe was moved yes... but there were other units already there(including a counter terrorism unit) and also a ton of air support and drones...

You also had all sorts of support in Spain that could have reached Benghazi in 4 hours MAX.

I'm not passing judgment on whether they should have been put in harms way or not... but the whole claim of not enough assets in the region is bullshit. Yes, there weren't enough assets in BENGHAZI but with a 7+hour engagement, there was plenty of time to get assets there.

The one thing I will pass judgment on is that we should have had air support. There is no excuse for not attempting to take out the mortar positions that we clearly had identified.
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Whoa. Those forces didn't START at Singonella. They were moved TO Singonella as a result of what was happening in Benghazi, right?




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Yes, the article discusses the movement of two special operations units from Europe and the US to Sig. This was done in anticipation of a possible drawn out hostage situation. In the article it is noted that Sig is less than 500 miles away from Libya. Are you suggesting that we had no other forces in the area?

I've been trying to find a quote of General Ham's that I posted in the DC forum previously, but haven't been able to find it again yet. The SecDef had insinuated that the decision not to use forces was a joint one that Ham was in on. Afterwards Ham was asked why forces weren't used and he stated (paraphrase), "We weren't ordered to." This is about as close to disagreeing with a senior that someone who was in Ham's position can get.
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One unit from Central Europe was moved yes... but there were other units already there(including a counter terrorism unit) and also a ton of air support and drones...
That is what your article seems to suggest, but it's not what the Fox News article says, and they appear to be referring to the same unit.


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You also had all sorts of support in Spain that could have reached Benghazi in 4 hours MAX.

I'm not passing judgment on whether they should have been put in harms way or not... but the whole claim of not enough assets in the region is bullshit. Yes, there weren't enough assets in BENGHAZI but with a 7+hour engagement, there was plenty of time to get assets there.

The one thing I will pass judgment on is that we should have had air support. There is no excuse for not attempting to take out the mortar positions that we clearly had identified.
My understanding of the situation is that it was very confused, with contradictory reports being fed back to WAshington. There were also issues with the military's organization in the sense that the military heirarchy responsible for the hot zone did not have the assets needed to respond, and therefore had to borrow from European command, which lengthened response time fairly dramatically.

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At the heart of the issue is the Africa Command, established in 2007, well before the Arab Spring uprisings and before an affiliate of Al Qaeda became a major regional threat. It did not have on hand what every other regional combatant command has: its own force able to respond rapidly to emergencies — a Commanders’ In-Extremis Force, or C.I.F.

To respond to the Benghazi attack, the Africa Command had to borrow the C.I.F. that belongs to the European Command, because its own force is still in training. It also had no AC-130 gunships or armed drones readily available.

As officials in the White House and Pentagon scrambled to respond to the torrent of reports pouring out from Libya — with Mr. Stevens missing and officials worried that he might have been taken hostage — they took the extraordinary step of sending elite Delta Force commandos, with their own helicopters and ground vehicles, from their base at Fort Bragg, N.C., to Sicily. Those troops also arrived too late.

“The fact of the matter is these forces were not in place until after the attacks were over,” a Pentagon spokesman, George Little, said on Friday, referring to a range of special operations soldiers and other personnel. “We did respond. The secretary ordered forces to move. They simply were not able to arrive in time.”
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Yes, the article discusses the movement of two special operations units from Europe and the US to Sig. This was done in anticipation of a possible drawn out hostage situation. In the article it is noted that Sig is less than 500 miles away from Libya. Are you suggesting that we had no other forces in the area?

I'm suggesting that that is what I've read, yes. That our forces in Northern Africa that would be helpful in responding to a threat of this type were very limited, yes. A Sixth Fleet squadron could've been hanging around in Tripoli, but you cant' exactly just start launching tomahawk missiles...

What was needed were assets that could determine what the situation was and deploy flexible, superior firepower. An ideal asset array would seem to me to include some drones (scouting) and special forces backed by Blackhawks and Little Birds. Not sure a Spectre gunship would be helpful.

Sounds like none of that was anywhere nearby.

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I've been trying to find a quote of General Ham's that I posted in the DC forum previously, but haven't been able to find it again yet. The SecDef had insinuated that the decision not to use forces was a joint one that Ham was in on. Afterwards Ham was asked why forces weren't used and he stated (paraphrase), "We weren't ordered to." This is about as close to disagreeing with a senior that someone who was in Ham's position can get.
I agree that, based on what I've seen, no order to send in forces ever came in. That seems to be because nobody knew WTF was going on and going in blind didn't seem ideal. But if you had special forces or drones nearby then there would've been a much better chance that we would've known what was going on so we could respond appropriately.
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To respond to the Benghazi attack, the Africa Command had to borrow the C.I.F. that belongs to the European Command, because its own force is still in training. It also had no AC-130 gunships or armed drones readily available.
If they had unarmed drones they should've been sent to scout out the situation. Dunno if that happened or not.
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But other military forces were too far away or could not be mobilized in time. The closest AC-130 gunship, a devastating and accurate weapon against insurgents in urban areas, was in Afghanistan, a senior official said.

There are no armed drones within range of Libya. The closest fly out of Djibouti, in the Horn of Africa, and were not in range of Benghazi. There was no Marine expeditionary unit — a large seaborne force with its own helicopters — in the Mediterranean Sea. American F-16 fighters in Europe were not on alert, and General Ham concluded they would not have been useful in a confused fight in a major Arab city.
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My understanding of the situation is that it was very confused, with contradictory reports being fed back to WAshington. There were also issues with the military's organization in the sense that the military heirarchy responsible for the hot zone did not have the assets needed to respond, and therefore had to borrow from European command, which lengthened response time fairly dramatically.
I agree that the situation was confused but that doesn't excuse the extremely slow response times. But as I said, my biggest issue is that there was plenty of air support including drones that could have been used to remove a great deal of confusion and they were never deployed. That part is the biggest screw up militarily, in my opinion.
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If they had unarmed drones they should've been sent to scout out the situation. Dunno if that happened or not.
What I have read is that they sent two drones and one had issues so another was sent to replace it. The actual information available on this is sketchy. The one thing I do know is that there were plenty of drones at Sig that sat on the ground.
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In the end I see a number of preparedness issues and a few military screw ups but nothing huge that should be pinned on Clinton or Obama... EXCEPT for the entire Susan Rice debacle. She flat out LIED to the American public and that is completely unacceptable. All this other stuff should be looked into to avoid future screw ups but the "scandal" is the lie. Period.
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I agree that the situation was confused but that doesn't excuse the extremely slow response times. But as I said, my biggest issue is that there was plenty of air support including drones that could have been used to remove a great deal of confusion and they were never deployed. That part is the biggest screw up militarily, in my opinion.

Two issues with conventional air support. First, you're going to invade foreign airspace on very short notice with very little information. Maybe it's justified, but you might be compounding the problem. It's not something that you undertake lightly is all I'm saying there.

Second, no useful airplanes within range. No Spectres. Nothing else is going ot help. You going to do a fly-by with F-18s or something? What's the use.

Without Spectres you're down to drones and choppers. No armed drones within range according to the article, so that presumably includes Singonella. Article doesn't mention unarmed drones. I'd ABSOLUTELY agree that unarmed drones should've been sent to see WTF is going on. No idea if they were are not. Keeping in mind that the drones aren't going to change the tactical situation -- just improve picture.

That really leaves choppers. I assume Singonella would've had Blackhawks and Little Birds. No idea if they would have the range to get there, operate for a while, and then GET HOME. My assumption is that they had too little information to make any firm calls and by the time they did have firm information, it was too late. I can't say I'm excited about invading foreign airspace with a handful of choppers. Seems like an invitation to a cluster**** to do that on limited information and little/no opportunity to get clearance from the Libyan military.

Bottom line -- there seems to have been no rapid-deployment reaction force ready to go that was within range when the shit hit the fan. That seems to b a gap that the military/administration is acknowledging, and one that I assume they are working rapidly to fill in.
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Two issues with conventional air support. First, you're going to invade foreign airspace on very short notice with very little information. Maybe it's justified, but you might be compounding the problem. It's not something that you undertake lightly is all I'm saying there.

Second, no useful airplanes within range. No Spectres. Nothing else is going ot help. You going to do a fly-by with F-18s or something? What's the use.

Without Spectres you're down to drones and choppers. No armed drones within range according to the article, so that presumably includes Singonella. Article doesn't mention unarmed drones. I'd ABSOLUTELY agree that unarmed drones should've been sent to see WTF is going on. No idea if they were are not. Keeping in mind that the drones aren't going to change the tactical situation -- just improve picture.

That really leaves choppers. I assume Singonella would've had Blackhawks and Little Birds. No idea if they would have the range to get there, operate for a while, and then GET HOME. My assumption is that they had too little information to make any firm calls and by the time they did have firm information, it was too late. I can't say I'm excited about invading foreign airspace with a handful of choppers. Seems like an invitation to a cluster**** to do that on limited information and little/no opportunity to get clearance from the Libyan military.

Bottom line -- there seems to have been no rapid-deployment reaction force ready to go that was within range when the shit hit the fan. That seems to b a gap that the military/administration is acknowledging, and one that I assume they are working rapidly to fill in.
Ok, you missed on quite a bit of this, the idea that we didn't have "useful" aircraft in the area is just plane(<-see what I did here!) wrong. BUT the biggest issue on the military side of things is that they didn't do enough to GET more information AND they had painted targets that could easily have been taken out... saving at least a few lives that were lost due to mortar fire. Again, these are military screw ups but as tragic as they are it happens from time to time. People are focusing far to much on this aspect of the "scandal" and not enough on the outright lies told to the public.
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Ok, you missed on quite a bit of this, the idea that we didn't have "useful" aircraft in the area is just plane(<-see what I did here!) wrong. BUT the biggest issue on the military side of things is that they didn't do enough to GET more information AND they had painted targets that could easily have been taken out... saving at least a few lives that were lost due to mortar fire. Again, these are military screw ups but as tragic as they are it happens from time to time. People are focusing far to much on this aspect of the "scandal" and not enough on the outright lies told to the public.

You're taking the lasering of targets as somehow verified, when all I'm seeing is strenuous denials and refutations.

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The denials from the federal government on this one point have been particularly furious. An administration official noted to the Erik Wemple Blog, “This laser assertion, while certainly creative, is Tom Clancy-level fiction.” An intelligence official insists point-blank that the combatants did not “laser the mortars”.; another U.S. official denied the report.
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●5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are the mortars observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...3_story_1.html



I gotta say, it seems unlikely. If you're under fire, why the hell would you be painting lasers on targets unless you KNOW there is air support that is going to hit the targets you paint. With NO armed drones and NO Spectre gunships around, that's a waste of time.
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One unit from Central Europe was moved yes... but there were other units already there(including a counter terrorism unit) and also a ton of air support and drones...

You also had all sorts of support in Spain that could have reached Benghazi in 4 hours MAX.

I'm not passing judgment on whether they should have been put in harms way or not... but the whole claim of not enough assets in the region is bullshit. Yes, there weren't enough assets in BENGHAZI but with a 7+hour engagement, there was plenty of time to get assets there.

The one thing I will pass judgment on is that we should have had air support. There is no excuse for not attempting to take out the mortar positions that we clearly had identified.
C'mon, man. When Hilary was on the phone at 2 AM with Greg Hicks, that's what she told him. "Sorry, Greg. I wish we could help but by the time they get there, you'll already be dead."

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