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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:49 AM   #1516
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8-8 is= to a "serious push for the playoffs" in your mind?

JFC. are you serious?
An 8-8 is usually in the playoff race until around week 15.
WTF do you want from this team next year? They were the WORST team in the league last year. You do know that right?
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:49 AM   #1517
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Well, by that time, I'm sure they knew there was a deal in place with the Chiefs. I don't think it was a league wide reaction of, No way! We don't want that piece of ****! I think any one of those teams that came out saying they had no deal with Smith, would take him over their current starter.
I dont think any of those teams are losing sleep over missing out on Alex Smith.

A stop gap is a stop gap is a stop gap.

The Chiefs just happened to pay for their stop gap like he's going to be around for the next decade because they are morons.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:51 AM   #1518
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For how many 2nd round draft picks?
Just call it what it is. It's a 1st round pick. By calling them mulitple 2nds it seems to downgrade how much they truely invested in Alice.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:52 AM   #1519
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An 8-8 is usually in the playoff race until around week 15.
WTF do you want from this team next year? They were the WORST team in the league last year. You do know that right?
So you're saying we shouldn't be in win now mode? So why the **** did we just pick up a 29 year old QB with a $15MM contract for 2 early draft picks?
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:52 AM   #1520
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8-8 shouldn't even be a part of the conversation when you make a move like that. A winning season should be automatic. Playoffs should be a minimum when you makethat kind of trade. The fact that people are justifying 8-8 is sad.
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Maybe it would help you to think of the Alex Smith trade compensation as two 2nd round picks with an insurance clause reducing that second round pick if something goes catastrophically wrong (e.g. Alex has a season ending injury) and the team ends up having a losing season.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:53 AM   #1521
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Maybe it's about you. Maybe you were wrong then and you're still wrong now.
Guess you're missing it, too. (Shocker)

The point of my post is not about his opinions regarding Alex Smith. The point of my post is that everything about the way he approaches this topic reminds me of myself, when I was 15, supporting Elvis Grbac.

As for being wrong, I am wrong often, just like anyone without omniscience. I probably have a little bit better grasp of sports and football after covering them for 10 years, including 4 years at a national sports magazine, though...
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:53 AM   #1522
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Maybe it would help you to think of the Alex Smith trade compensation as two 2nd round picks with an insurance clause reducing that second round pick if something goes catastrophically wrong (e.g. Alex has a season ending injury) and the team ends up having a losing season.
Doesn't help at all. Because we ended up trading at least 1 2nd round pick, that just happened to be #34, for a pos and then next year we have to give them a 3rd round pick as a "Thank you for sodomizing me."
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:02 AM   #1523
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Guess you're missing it, too. (Shocker)

The point of my post is not about his opinions regarding Alex Smith. The point of my post is that everything about the way he approaches this topic reminds me of myself, when I was 15, supporting Elvis Grbac.

As for being wrong, I am wrong often, just like anyone without omniscience. I probably have a little bit better grasp of sports and football after covering them for 10 years, including 4 years at a national sports magazine, though...
No, I didn't miss that. I just don't think there's any reason to believe that because you were wrong then, he's wrong now. Using an argument at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances makes you wrong. Using the same argument at the right time under the right circumstances, is a different story.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:02 AM   #1524
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So you're saying we shouldn't be in win now mode? So why the **** did we just pick up a 29 year old QB with a $15MM contract for 2 early draft picks?
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I think they are in win now mode and want to make the playoffs. Alex Smith was the best option right now. They had no choice. I know they are in win now mode but expecting them to automatically make the playoffs is a bit pretentious.
Pioli left this regime with holes to fill in a lot of spots.
Can't expect them to be this winning team in January in year 1.
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Doesn't help at all. Because we ended up trading at least 1 2nd round pick, that just happened to be #34, for a pos and then next year we have to give them a 3rd round pick as a "Thank you for sodomizing me."
That's just the insurance policy. The expectation is that the trade will succeed and the cost for success was two 2nds.

If you want to complain about the cost of the trade, fine, complain away. But drop this nonsense about the 8-8 escalator because it makes you guys look silly. It doesn't define what the goal is, it's just a trade factor that makes the expected cost of the trade slightly less than two 2nds instead of an even two 2nds.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:04 AM   #1526
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That's just the insurance policy. The expectation is that the trade will succeed and the cost for success was two 2nds.
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Reid and Dorsey put their best case scenario on the table with a clause of 8-8 on the 2014 pick. Just think about that for a second... 8-8.

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Old 05-13-2013, 10:08 AM   #1527
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I think they are in win now mode and want to make the playoffs. Alex Smith was the best option right now. They had no choice. I know they are in win now mode but expecting them to automatically make the playoffs is a bit pretentious.
***** left this regime with holes to fill in a lot of spots.
Can't expect them to be this winning team in January in year 1.
Then making the Alex SMith move makes no sense. If you don't expect to be a playoff contender, you don't make the move giving up what you did.

If you are rebuilding, you keep the picks and go from there. If you are in win now, you give up the picks for the guy.

Which they did, therefor, I don't understand why holding them to said standard is a big deal.

It seems some here are excited, saying yes it was a win now move and are hoping and thinking they will win, yet when some say they should be held to that standard, the breaks start pumping.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:08 AM   #1528
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I think they are in win now mode and want to make the playoffs. Alex Smith was the best option right now. They had no choice. I know they are in win now mode but expecting them to automatically make the playoffs is a bit pretentious.
***** left this regime with holes to fill in a lot of spots.
Can't expect them to be this winning team in January in year 1.
In keeping with a somewhat optimistic mindset, where do you feel KC is below average at this point?

I'm not really disagreeing. Going to the playoffs after a 2-14 record IS a tall order. But as I hear it from most KC fans elsewhere... their record could be mostly attributed to having poor QB play and poor coaching.

Now that this has changed.. I don't mind allowing for my natural inclination to find some optimism that KC can win 9 games. And if they do? Hey, anything can happen if that means a playoff visit.
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Old 05-13-2013, 10:16 AM   #1529
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No, I didn't miss that. I just don't think there's any reason to believe that because you were wrong then, he's wrong now. Using an argument at the wrong time under the wrong circumstances makes you wrong. Using the same argument at the right time under the right circumstances, is a different story.
I'm not making a statement about right/wrong. My statement is about the way his actions, statement and level of "sold" remind me of mine back then.

That's what you're missing.
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