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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-13-2013, 11:26 AM   #1546
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That's not true, but okay. Just lumping all the available QBs as stop gaps is a little lazy. Smith is coming out of recent success, and his team wanted him
The reason the other QBs came so cheap is that they were just as likely to be released as traded. I know you hate Smith, but if he's a stop gap, he's another level of stop gap than the likes of Palmer and Kolb.
They wanted him so bad they benched him mid way through his best season and traded him in the following offseason...

Some peoples children.

You think the 49ers were going to pay Smith 7.5M to be a backup? GTFO. He was on his way to being cut as well. Shame the Chiefs were too scared that someone else might get a mediocre QB who hasn't done much better than Cassel for his career and overspent on yet another 49er washout.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:27 AM   #1547
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Don't forget Clark Hunt saying "We have our first-round quarterback, and he was actually a guy taken first overall."

He should be beaten with a rubber hose for that remark.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:27 AM   #1548
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Well, by that time, I'm sure they knew there was a deal in place with the Chiefs. I don't think it was a league wide reaction of, No way! We don't want that piece of ****! I think any one of those teams that came out saying they had no deal with Smith, would take him over their current starter.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:27 AM   #1549
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Thats fine, then we should go ahead and extend him if we expect him to be around that long.
If you extend him now and he has a career ending injury this season, you've thrown away a lot of money. There's no reason to extend him until the end of this year, unless you really think you can get a bargain by jumping the gun.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:29 AM   #1550
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I think they have their eye on the playoffs, but you have to keep in mind what they are doing.
These guys had the task of cleaning up *****'s huge mess.
Hell half the team is brand new. S, nickel CB, #2 CB, ILB, DE, G, RT, #2 WR, TE, #2 TE.
It's gonna take more than 1 offseason to clean up this mess.
Then they probably shouldn't have paid such a high price for a quarterback like Alex Smith, especially if he's just a two-year player.

If it's a big mess and they need a few offseasons to clean it up, spending the equivalent of a first-round pick on a stopgap QB makes no logical sense.

Spending that much to get Alex Smith - yes, the best available QB on the FA/trade market - only makes sense if you're trying to win now and think you can win big with him.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:29 AM   #1551
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If you extend him now and he has a career ending injury this season, you've thrown away a lot of money. There's no reason to extend him until the end of this year, unless you really think you can get a bargain by jumping the gun.
So if you extend him after this year, then he has a career ending injury, you're better off?

If you are that afraid of a guy having a career ending injury, you probably don't want to extend him.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:30 AM   #1552
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Then they probably shouldn't have paid such a high price for a quarterback like Alex Smith, especially if he's just a two-year player.

If it's a big mess and they need a few offseasons to clean it up, spending the equivalent of a first-round pick on a stopgap QB makes no logical sense.

Spending that much to get Alex Smith - yes, the best available QB on the FA/trade market - only makes sense if you're trying to win now and win big.
Do you really think they see him as only a two-year player?
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:31 AM   #1553
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Do you really think they see him as only a two-year player?
I can only hope.

The embarrassment of the trade is already gone. The embarrassment of tying the knot to this guy for the next 5 years can be prevented.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:33 AM   #1554
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Do you really think they see him as only a two-year player?
No, I don't.

But many in SUPPORT of the trade and price given cite that the team isn't "tied" to Alex Smith and can cut him lose, but that the deal was worth it because it gives them the best chance to win right now. While also saying that the Chiefs can always get their franchise guy later.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:34 AM   #1555
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So if you extend him after this year, then he has a career ending injury, you're better off?

If you are that afraid of a guy having a career ending injury, you probably don't want to extend him.
You generally don't extend a guy with two years left on his contract. You extend him with one year (or less) left to keep him from getting to free agency. If free agency didn't exist, you'd wait all the way until the contract expired to negotiate a new one. The only reason to extend a contract before you need to, is if you think you can get the guy cheap now but that he's going to blow up and demand a huge contract later.

If you deviate from that norm and something goes wrong, you've made a bonehead blunder. If you don't deviate from that norm but something goes wrong, it's just bad luck.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:35 AM   #1556
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then again why go for a guy who is on a 2 year deal? and is injury prone?
Best option out there this offseason and Reid has always liked his ability.
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That's not true, but okay. Just lumping all the available QBs as stop gaps is a little lazy. Smith is coming out of recent success, and his team wanted him
The reason the other QBs came so cheap is that they were just as likely to be released as traded. I know you hate Smith, but if he's a stop gap, he's another level of stop gap than the likes of Palmer and Kolb.
his team wanted him so bad they drafted his replacement, let him become a free agent, courted peyton manning, resigned him after manning signed, then benched him halfway through the year, then traded him.


that sounds like the timeline of a team "wanting" somone
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:36 AM   #1558
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Best option out there this offseason and Reid has always liked his ability.
best option to "win now" but its pretentious for us as fans to expect that. right?
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I think they are in win now mode and want to make the playoffs. Alex Smith was the best option right now. They had no choice. I know they are in win now mode but expecting them to automatically make the playoffs is a bit pretentious.
Pioli left this regime with holes to fill in a lot of spots.
Can't expect them to be this winning team in January in year 1.
"they had no choice". Yet, we can not expect a playoff appearance after being told, "all we need is a good game manager and competent coaching to be in it". You TF's are just ass-backward pathetic. Find a goddamned excuse and stick with it instead of trying to "nuance" your FAIL, please...
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And I like it that they aren't rewarding Alex Smith with an extention like Pioli did. They knew he was the best player available for the position, but if he doesn't back it up, he'll get benched.

The compensation sucks, but he was the best QB out there and we had no choice. SF had all the leverage.
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