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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-13-2013, 11:39 AM   #1561
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No, I don't.

But many in SUPPORT of the trade and price given cite that the team isn't "tied" to Alex Smith and can cut him lose, but that the deal was worth it because it gives them the best chance to win right now. While also saying that the Chiefs can always get their franchise guy later.
I don't either, so at least we're on the same page there.

I don't really see that argument being made in that way much by the people who support (or at least recognize the reasonableness of) the trade. Instead, what I see is those people throwing a bone to the Alex critics by saying if he sucks as bad as the critics say he's going to suck, the Chiefs haven't tied themselves to him in the way Pioli tied himself to Cassel. In the unexpected event that he does suck that bad, the Chiefs can easily move on after this season or after a lame duck 2nd season.

FTR, I expect an extension for Alex Smith next offseason and I don't expect the Chiefs to draft a QB in the 1st or 2nd next year.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:40 AM   #1562
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his team wanted him so bad they drafted his replacement, let him become a free agent, courted peyton manning, resigned him after manning signed, then benched him halfway through the year, then traded him.


that sounds like the timeline of a team "wanting" somone
Yet Harbaugh was sucking Alex off every chance he got to the media. Even brought Alex's wife flowers in the hospital. Harbaugh was the ultimate slick-oil salesman... He sucked Alex off to get him to stay in 2011... suckled some more to get him to start 2012 off at 6-2... then he pulled the rug out when he felt "his true golden boy" was ready. I get it. Kaepernick has crazy potential. Let us not pretend thought that Alex was discarded by Jim for some mediocre scrub though. Alex was in the top 5 in the NFL in efficiency when concussed... and then replaced.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:40 AM   #1563
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his team wanted him so bad they drafted his replacement, let him become a free agent, courted peyton manning, resigned him after manning signed, then benched him halfway through the year, then traded him.


that sounds like the timeline of a team "wanting" somone
I forgot about the Manning courting. They didn't really want much to do with Alex Smith.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:40 AM   #1564
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And I like it that they aren't rewarding Alex Smith with an extention like ***** did. They knew he was the best player available for the position, but if he doesn't back it up, he'll get benched.

The compensation sucks, but he was the best QB out there and we had no choice. SF had all the leverage.
Sure we did.

If the rebuild is such a messy situation and is going to take more than one offseason, spend less on a lesser QB to be your stopgap guy.

That was the alternative choice.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:40 AM   #1565
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best option to "win now" but its pretentious for us as fans to expect that. right?
This. The True Fan has now lined up behind Reid and are mooing their way to the OAD feeding trough. "don't give me logic or sense, please". "Moooooo" etc.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:41 AM   #1566
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They wanted him so bad they benched him mid way through his best season and traded him in the following offseason...

Some peoples children.

You think the 49ers were going to pay Smith 7.5M to be a backup? GTFO. He was on his way to being cut as well. Shame the Chiefs were too scared that someone else might get a mediocre QB who hasn't done much better than Cassel for his career and overspent on yet another 49er washout.
Smith wasn't going to be cut. Someone would have traded for him. And who should we have gone after instead? Second round pick Geno Smith?
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:41 AM   #1567
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Yet Harbaugh was sucking Alex off every chance he got to the media. Even brought Alex's wife flowers in the hospital. Harbaugh was the ultimate slick-oil salesman... He sucked Alex off to get him to stay in 2011... suckled some more to get him to start 2012 off at 6-2... then he pulled the rug out when he felt "his true golden boy" was ready. I get it. Kaepernick has crazy potential. Let us not pretend thought that Alex was discarded by Jim for some mediocre scrub though. Alex was in the top 5 in the NFL in efficiency when concussed... and then replaced.
no one has said anywhere they discarded him for a scrub...


but they got as much or more back from him than they gave up for the future guy
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:43 AM   #1568
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I forgot about the Manning courting. They didn't really want much to do with Alex Smith.
now the guys will say " but but it was manning"

but it wasnt just that. they then benched him for the unproven kapernick.

and i know he gotconcussed but he could have played again and kap's first two games were nothing special
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:44 AM   #1569
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This. The True Fan has now lined up behind Reid and are mooing their way to the OAD feeding trough. "don't give me logic or sense, please". "Moooooo" etc.
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See, this is the problem. You guys have given your faith to prior regimes and in turn, ate shit for being wrong. So now, you absolutely refuse to let that happen again. It's call being butt-hurt... scarred for life... and scared. You are scared to ever give some hope and faith to your team. Scared, lil boys...standing in the corner and crying, "I loved her and she hurt me!!! I'll never love again!!!! Neva!!!!"


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Old 05-13-2013, 11:44 AM   #1570
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Smith wasn't going to be cut. Someone would have traded for him. And who should we have gone after instead? Second round pick Geno Smith?
see this isnt a "we" thing.

but **** yeah they should have gone after geno. where have you been/
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:45 AM   #1571
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See, this is the problem. You guys have given your faith to prior regimes and in turn, ate shit for being wrong. So now, you absolutely refuse to let that happen again. It's call being butt-hurt... scarred for life... and scared. You are scared to ever give some hope and faith to your team. Scared, lil boys...standing in the corner and crying, "I loved her and she hurt me!!! I'll never love again!!!! Neva!!!!"


Your team would be real proud of ya!
I'll give some hope and faith to the Chiefs when they start following the blueprint of building a successful NFL franchise and stop trying to reinvent the ****ing wheel.

The Hunts are hell bent on trying to prove that another teams trash can be the Chiefs treasure.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:45 AM   #1572
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best option to "win now" but its pretentious for us as fans to expect that. right?
Pretty sure win now to them means making a strong push for the playoffs or making the playoffs (best case).

Pretentious thinking of win now is expecting them to automatically make the playoffs and start winning playoff games as a worst case scenario.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:46 AM   #1573
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They went with the win now approach, which is great. I'm ready for them to win now. But they did make the win now move, so I don't really see why there is a problem holding them to that standard.

People have been pissed on here saying people are too negative, yet now it seems we are getting that some are being too positive?
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:47 AM   #1574
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I'll give some hope and faith to the Chiefs when they start following the blueprint of building a successful NFL franchise and stop trying to reinvent the ****ing wheel.

The Hunts are hell bent on trying to prove that another teams trash can be the Chiefs treasure.
Not how it works. That's just called hopping on the bandwagon.
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Old 05-13-2013, 11:47 AM   #1575
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Pretty sure win now to them means making a strong push for the playoffs or making the playoffs (best case).

Pretentious thinking of win now is expecting them to automatically make the playoffs and start winning playoff games as a worst case scenario.
and 8-8 is making a strong push...


guess what 8-8 isnt even playing "winning" football.


and if you trade 2 2nds for a win now qb you should be making noise come playoff time, no learning seasons...
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