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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-13-2013, 12:08 PM   #1636
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no one is taking any 8 years down the road.

You made that up.

the conversation with me was focused on the fact he's under contract for two years.


Read back through the posts, get up to speed, then get back to me
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I'll wait until you clarify when Alex Smith declines in your hypothetical. That will be the easiest way to focus this.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:12 PM   #1637
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I don't understand why you're talking like we absolutely have to win a playoff game this year.

You're taking the ceiling of next years expectations and trying to make it the floor.
We don't absolutely have to win a playoff game.

We should definitely play winning football, and 8-8 is by no definition winning football, and make the playoffs and have a chance to beat anyone in them.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:13 PM   #1638
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We don't absolutely have to win a playoff game.

We should definitely play winning football, and 8-8 is by no definition winning football, and make the playoffs and have a chance to beat anyone in them.
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You seem to have a lot of confidence in Alex Smith. I never would have guessed it.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:15 PM   #1639
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I'll wait until you clarify when Alex Smith declines in your hypothetical. That will be the easiest way to focus this.
Wtf you talking about? I never brought up a decline?


He said make a serious push for the playoffs, or 8-8 same thing, then winning playoff games the next year.


I asked what do we do then with our qb whose contract is up.

You said extend him.


I said what if he declines.


You asked when?

you made no sense
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:16 PM   #1640
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You seem to have a lot of confidence in Alex Smith. I never would have guessed it.
The team traded for him.


That is what I expect out of a vet qb that was traded for 2 2nds.

Never said Smith would get us there.


But nice try to spin my words buddy
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:21 PM   #1641
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Wtf you talking about? I never brought up a decline?


He said make a serious push for the playoffs, or 8-8 same thing, then winning playoff games the next year.


I asked what do we do then with our qb whose contract is up.

You said extend him.


I said what if he declines.


You asked when?

you made no sense
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As you admit, you did ask what happens if he declines. I took it to mean what if his skills decline. I'm guessing now that you mean what if he refuses to sign a new contract. This could have easily been cleared up 20 or 30 posts ago if you had addressed my question directly instead of bailing on it and going with snark instead.

If he refuses to sign an extension, you look for a different option (either Bray if he's progressed, or some other guy they've picked up, or a guy in the draft, or another free agent/trade). I didn't understand what you meant because it's such a no brainer.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:22 PM   #1642
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The team traded for him.


That is what I expect out of a vet qb that was traded for 2 2nds.

Never said Smith would get us there.


But nice try to spin my words buddy
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In other words, your job now is to elevate the "success" bar as high as you possibly can so you can declare failure and justify your current position. I understand you, I just think it's lame.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:23 PM   #1643
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Just call it what it is. It's a 1st round pick. By calling them mulitple 2nds it seems to downgrade how much they truely invested in Alice.
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Agreed. Dorsey/Reid already called Alice their 2nd round pick this year so they are already short selling what they actually paid.
You'd really be better off if you would stop claiming that the Chiefs invested a first round pick on Alex Smith. They didn't. And you know it.

Lying about it to strengthen your argument actually weakens your argument because you lose credibility.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:24 PM   #1644
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As you admit, you did ask what happens if he declines. I took it to mean what if his skills decline. I'm guessing now that you mean what if he refuses to sign a new contract. This could have easily been cleared up 20 or 30 posts ago if you had addressed my question directly instead of bailing on it and going with snark instead.

If he refuses to sign an extension, you look for a different option (either Bray if he's progressed, or some other guy they've picked up, or a guy in the draft, or another free agent/trade). I didn't understand what you meant because it's such a no brainer.
dude he isn't going to ****ing decline in ability the year he starts winning us playoff games...


Its a no brainer to trade 2 2nd round picks and let the guy walk after two years and go on to the next option?

Especially after having a "learning year" burnt and finally starting to win, in this hypothetical of run's.

This is why its stupid to trade for a retread vet.
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In other words, your job now is to elevate the "success" bar as high as you possibly can so you can declare failure and justify your current position. I understand you, I just think it's lame.
I didn't ask to go undefeated... I didn't say we had to win a playoff game...

I could have set the bar higher.

Those should be realistic goals of a team who traded 2 2nds for an eight year vet qb, and same team that has six current pro bowlers.

We have a top ten LT and a number one drafted Rt, a great rb, no one wr,


Why shouldn't we be expecting to get to the playoffs and actually have a shot there?
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dude he isn't going to ****ing decline in ability the year he starts winning us playoff games...


Its a no brainer to trade 2 2nd round picks and let the guy walk after two years and go on to the next option?

Especially after having a "learning year" burnt and finally starting to win, in this hypothetical of run's.

This is why its stupid to trade for a retread vet.
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The chances of him walking after two years and leaving the Chiefs in the lurch are about zero, IMO. He'll be extended before that if he's panning out.
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You'd really be better off if you would stop claiming that the Chiefs invested a first round pick on Alex Smith. They didn't. And you know it.

Lying about it to strengthen your argument actually weakens your argument because you lose credibility.
by draft value 2 2nds equals a first.

I wouldn't say it the way he did but I get where they can look at the compensation in that light
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I didn't ask to go undefeated... I didn't say we had to win a playoff game...

I could have set the bar higher.

Those should be realistic goals of a team who traded 2 2nds for an eight year vet qb, and same team that has six current pro bowlers.

We have a top ten LT and a number one drafted Rt, a great rb, no one wr,


Why shouldn't we be expecting to get to the playoffs and actually have a shot there?
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Pushing hard for the playoffs is a reasonable goal and that's what RunKC said initially. Making the playoffs and having a shot there isn't a bad goal, but falling just short in the first year when everyone is trying to get on the same page under a new system isn't failure.
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The chances of him walking after two years and leaving the Chiefs in the lurch are about zero, IMO. He'll be extended before that if he's panning out.
Dude he just went to free agency last year, you can assume he will want to extend, but its just that...
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Pushing hard for the playoffs is a reasonable goal and that's what RunKC said initially. Making the playoffs and having a shot there isn't a bad goal, but falling just short in the first year when everyone is trying to get on the same page under a new system isn't failure.
And I don't give a **** what either of you say 8-8 isn't making a serious push for the playoffs.

Both of your words
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