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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-14-2013, 07:22 PM   #2086
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Taking out the incomplete Rams game (concussion) from both QBs...

Alex averaged 26 attempts per game... Kaepernick averaged 27 attempts per game.

What are we really talking about here?
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:31 PM   #2087
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Taking out the incomplete Rams game (concussion) from both QBs...

Alex averaged 26 attempts per game... Kaepernick averaged 27 attempts per game.

What are we really talking about here?
I may be wrong, but I think we're talking about the guy who calls the plays.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:33 PM   #2088
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I may be wrong, but I think we're talking about the guy who calls the plays.
For sure, some of the talk has been exactly that. Not all though.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:40 PM   #2089
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They were second rounders, which, if Alex Smith can come in and provide six years of the same level of performance that he was providing in 2011 and 2012, were picks well spent.

A known commodity is much better than an unknown, and any draft pick, especially one past the first round, is most assuredly an unknown commodity.

The Chiefs will draft a QBOTF in approximately 3-4 years provided Smith is capable of directing Reid's offense in a competent manner. And I have absolutely no reason to think that he won't.

They have put together a coaching staff and player roster that is built to be competitive right now. Alex Smith was the most important addition to that reconstruction of the team other than Dorsey and Reid.

It's not like losing two second rounders are going to have the same impact as gaining a potential franchise QB, which Reid obviously feels he has in Alex Smith. We shall see, but if Reid is correct, then it was a viable trade.
You are absolutely right if Alex is a franchise QB. Where your argument loses he is that Jim Harbaugh would have to be stupid to not see franchise potential in Alex that Andy sees.

Harbaugh coached up Rich Gannon, coached up Josh Johnson, recruited Andrew Luck, groomed him into a unanimous concensus #1 draft pick, saw NFL ready potential in Kaepernick most scouts missed AND developed him from a raw prospect into a solid middle tier or higher QB.

And I'm supposed to believe that Andy see's QB potential in Alex that Jim missed?

OK, if you say so. I can't see it.

I see what you are saying and time will tell the tale, but if Alex had franchise potential then the 49er GM could have picked a pass rusher or defensive back with that 2nd selection in 2011.

The week Jim Harbaugh was hired by the 49ers, a reporter stuck a mic in his face and asked him about quarterbacks since Alex was a free agent and the lockout meant nobody could court free agents at the time

Jim Harbaugh's instant response was, "Do we need a top-flight quarterback? Do human beings need air to breathe?"

If Jim didn't see that potential in Alex, then it just not there. I've seen a lot of Alexsexuals say that maybe Alex will perform better after Jim Harbaugh than with him -- that he could still fill the elite potential that made him a 1st overall draft pick. That even as Harbaugh gave up on Alex for Kaepernick, that Alex could go somewhere else and still maybe become a franchise QB rather than a mid-tier journeyman.

I just can't see Andy Reid being a superior judge of QB talent to Jim Harbaugh, and that doesn't account for the fact that Jim saw Alex every day in camp and practice for almost 2 full NFL seasons, while all Andy Reid has is game tape and hearsay.

Even Dorsey remarked that one of the things that sold them on Alex was his mentoring of Kaepernick. Alex is ready made for mentoring his replacement while holding down the fort for him.

Alex Smith? 6 years starting in Kansas City? I can't see it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:45 PM   #2090
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Steelers tried to be a passing team last year- how good did that work out.

WR seems to be our weakest position- I can maybe see dump offs to RB's and short TE passes to compliment- but not an air out team at all. Jeez can you image how good the running game will be if that is our secondary option and teams have to play back for the pass?? I hope you are right- I can see Huge holes for JC to dance through-lol
You could have had Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter, Robert Woods or any other WR not named Austin, Hopkins or Patterson if you hadn't traded off the #34 pick in the draft.

There is an opportunity cost when you trade picks to win now, rather than build for the future to win big.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:54 PM   #2091
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I see what you are saying and time will tell the tale, but if Alex had franchise potential then the 49er GM could have picked a pass rusher or defensive back with that 2nd selection in 2011.

If Jim didn't see that potential in Alex, then it just not there.
This is all crap.

We literally had NOTHING at the QB position. The only guy we had on the roster was David Carr... and we all knew what Jim thought of him. We basically HAD to re-stock at the QB position... so we selected an exciting "project" QB that wouldn't cost much at all. We also waited till round 2, so just how in love was Harbaugh initially with Kaep?

Jim may have seen a lot in Alex... but it seems clear now that he sees MORE in Kaepernick. So be it.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:57 PM   #2092
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You could have had Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter, Robert Woods or any other WR not named Austin, Hopkins or Patterson if you hadn't traded off the #34 pick in the draft.

There is an opportunity cost when you trade picks to win now, rather than build for the future to win big.
We could have had Allen with our third round picks.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:57 PM   #2093
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Why are all these niners fans also browns fans?


Would be freaky, like I might never log in again crazy, if kapernick is also a mult of this weird cat.


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I was a Marty Schottenheimer fan, not a Browns fan.

I quit liking the Browns when Shottenheimer left Cleveland. I quit liking the Chiefs when Schottenheimer resigned.

This ain't rocket science. I was never a fan of Cleveland or KC as teams. I was a fan of Schottenheimer's and liked to watch his teams play and rooted for them to win.

Massive difference from being a freaking Browns fan.

It is not brain surgery figuring that one out.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:57 PM   #2094
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You could have had Keenan Allen, Justin Hunter, Robert Woods or any other WR not named Austin, Hopkins or Patterson if you hadn't traded off the #34 pick in the draft.

There is an opportunity cost when you trade picks to win now, rather than build for the future to win big.
We just recently spent a #1 on Baldwin. Let's see what he can do with a QB who is capable of throwing an actual forward pass before throwing him on the trash heap.

In addition, Don Avery adds speed and McCluster should be substantially better in Reid's system versus Daboll's. I also like Hemingway a lot.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:59 PM   #2095
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For sure, some of the talk has been exactly that. Not all though.
Uh... ok. So, since Andy called 34.75 passes per game in his 14 seasons with the Eagles, don't you think he'll call a similar number with the Chiefs?
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Uh... ok. So, since Andy called 34.75 passes per game in his 14 seasons with the Eagles, don't you think he'll call a similar number with the Chiefs?
No, cause coaches who have been coaches that long completely change what they do.

Happens all the time.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:02 PM   #2097
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We just recently spent a #1 on Baldwin. Let's see what he can do with a QB who is capable of throwing an actual forward pass before throwing him on the trash heap.

In addition, Don Avery adds speed and McCluster should be substantially better in Reid's system versus Daboll's. I also like Hemingway a lot.
I was only answering the guy who said your biggest need was at WR.

My point wasn't about WR. My point was if you don't trade away high picks for journeymen QBs, you can use 34th overall picks to fill a need.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:02 PM   #2098
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I dont want him banned. I want him to take my name out of his mouth. You would figure with the way he sucks kaeps dick off that he would be too tired to worry about little ol me. I just want the blasphemy to stop. I want to come here to talk football. What he doesnt tell you, is that people HATE this guy over there. He is obnoxious, and relentless in his worshipping of Kaep. hes like a jehovahs witness, (no offense) but they come to your door, and are persistent, to the point of adnauseum. Thats this guy. I dont want him banned. just want him off my nuts, so that i can enjoy my time here.

I have a healthy respect for everyone here. I also have a healthy respect for the people that respect alex smith, and dont like being lumped in with them. Their opinions are just as important as mine, and its their OWN.
Lol yup, can confirm people hate this idiot on the Niners board. I'm guessing you declined your invitation to "Homers for Kaepernick" as well. I think he posts so much here now because he needs to talk about Smith while claiming to be sick of hearing about him and as long as he bad mouths any Niners fan who think Smith can be a good QB his little bar will stay green. It's pretty clear from his Niners posts that he has some sort of creepy weird attraction to Kaepernick.
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This is going to be an interesting offense to watch. A lot of different styles. It will either be innovate, and unusual, or a jumbled mess and disorganized.
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I was a Marty Schottenheimer fan, not a Browns fan.

I quit liking the Browns when Shottenheimer left Cleveland. I quit liking the Chiefs when Schottenheimer resigned.

This ain't rocket science. I was never a fan of Cleveland or KC as teams. I was a fan of Schottenheimer's and liked to watch his teams play and rooted for them to win.

Massive difference from being a freaking Browns fan.

It is not brain surgery figuring that one out.
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