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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-16-2013, 02:37 AM   #2176
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Smith has never thrown for more then 17 TDs. He threw for over 3,000 yards for the first time last year at 3,100.

Don't expect those numbers. Think 3500 yards, 20TDs and 10 INTs, BEST CASE SCENARIO. If your D can hold, it will win games. Otherwise....
I never said I expected those numbers. I'm saying for this trade not to be a massive waste of draft picks (which I believe it is), his production needs to rise to that level, and it needs to get there immediately. The only way this is a good trade is if he becomes a consistent 4000+ yard/25+ TD passer for the next 5 years.

You don't have to give up anything to find a guy who can throw for 3500 yards and 20 TDs. Hell, Jason Campbell's done that. You don't give up multiple 2nds for a guy you expect to ride the running game and defense to wins. At least I hope this front office doesn't (still) think that way. Although I suspect in the end that's exactly what they've done, whether it was their intention or not.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:13 AM   #2177
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Well who the **** wouldn't if you had Jerry Rice, John Taylor stretching the field. With guys like Brent Jones and Wesley Walls in the middle and then lets not forget yet some other guys like Ricky Watters, Tom Rathman. There was plenty of talent at all levels and areas of the field on those teams.
Steve Young spent most of his early 49ers career running for his life behind porous offensive lines. He got more concussions staying in the pocket than he ever did running outside the pocket.

It is great to have Rice and Taylor once you get an O-line that keeps you upright long enough to throw to them.
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(Alex Smith) He's ****ing terrible.

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Old 05-16-2013, 03:23 AM   #2178
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Things that win championships. Complete teams, and teams that can run the ball.
Interesting. The last SB winner to have a 100 yard runner was the 2006 Colts.

Time to wake up and realize the NFL is changing to a passing league.

And I'd hardly consider teams like the Colts, Saints, Packers, and Patriots to be complete teams... They do, however, have 1 thing in common. Any guess?

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Old 05-16-2013, 04:09 AM   #2179
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Interesting. The last SB winner to have a 100 yard runner was the 2006 Colts.

Time to wake up and realize the NFL is changing to a passing league.

And I'd hardly consider teams like the Colts, Saints, Packers, and Patriots to be complete teams... They do, however, have 1 thing in common. Any guess?
20 of the 24 last super bowl winners feature elite QBs or nearly elite QBs. Elite QB play has always been a hallmark of super bowl champions back to Bart Star and Len Dawson. The few exceptions are glaring.

Eli Manning - Near Elite
Aaron Rodgers - Elite
Drew Brees - Elite
Ben Roethlisberger -Near Elite
Eli Manning - Near Elite
Peyton Manning - Elite
Ben Roethlisberger -Near Elite
Tom Brady - Elite
Tom Brady - Elite
Brad Johnson - Above average
Tom Brady - Elite
Trent Dilfer - Game Manager
Kurt Warner - Elite
John Elway - Elite
John Elway - Elite
Brett Farve - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Steve Young - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Mark Rypien - Above average
Jeff Hostetler - Game Manager
Joe Montana - Elite
Joe Montana - Elite
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:36 AM   #2180
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Did you watch Andy Reid for 14 years? Or are you going to pretend that didn't happen to try to TELL everyone?
Okay, lets just get this right now. First post of the day and I'm feelin' frisky. "Dude, you don't use stats or back your shit up with conventional football talk, you just hate blah-blah-blah".
That's right; I DON'T go around spouting numbers because a) we have enough people here doing it already, and b) numbers interest me about as much as Axl Mythrose's future on this ****ing team.
I use my own brand of logic based on NFL history, and I rather enjoy it. Here's an example: "Martyball" as a refrence has NOTHING to do with Reids schemes or philosophy overall. The reference relates to Reids past success level combined with his recent and UN-****INGDISPUTEABLE downward trend. Add those factors all up with a gig in KC(and the usual, "brilliant" offseason moves), and the end result succes-wise, WILL BE....without a merry ****ing DOUBT....come on and say it with me Bad Guy...

Wait for it.....

"Martyball".

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Old 05-16-2013, 08:41 AM   #2181
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numbers interest me about as much as Axl Mythrose's future on this ****ing team.
Must interest you a whole lot, since you are here everyday talking about it.. internet tough guy.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:09 AM   #2182
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Must interest you a whole lot, since you are here everyday talking about it.. internet tough guy.
Wow. I figured you would split after I made you my West Texas ballroom bitch. I guess you enjoy a good ass pounding.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:10 AM   #2183
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Wow. I figured you would split after I made you my West Texas ballroom bitch.
Not that easy to get rid of trolls.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:14 AM   #2184
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20 of the 24 last super bowl winners feature elite QBs or nearly elite QBs. Elite QB play has always been a hallmark of super bowl champions back to Bart Star and Len Dawson. The few exceptions are glaring.

Eli Manning - Near Elite
Aaron Rodgers - Elite
Drew Brees - Elite
Ben Roethlisberger -Near Elite
Eli Manning - Near Elite
Peyton Manning - Elite
Ben Roethlisberger -Near Elite
Tom Brady - Elite
Tom Brady - Elite
Brad Johnson - Above average
Tom Brady - Elite
Trent Dilfer - Game Manager
Kurt Warner - Elite
John Elway - Elite
John Elway - Elite
Brett Farve - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Steve Young - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Troy Aikman - Elite
Mark Rypien - Above average
Jeff Hostetler - Game Manager
Joe Montana - Elite
Joe Montana - Elite
Hmm, I see a common theme for all of the game manager/above average guys who have won it:

Elite defenses.

So, basically the Chiefs' hopes of winning in the playoffs with Alex Smith rest on Andy Reid deviating drastically from his career offensive designs and going instead to a ball-control, Martyball approach, and the defense blossoming into an elite to all-time-great defense under the tutelage of an offensive-minded coach.

Sounds like a winner.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:15 AM   #2185
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Not that easy to get rid of trolls.
KnowMo is a troll. This guy is just a dumbass.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:41 AM   #2186
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Wow. I figured you would split after I made you my West Texas ballroom bitch. I guess you enjoy a good ass pounding.
You're weak-sauce, BigPuss. I am glad you are back around though. You make me chuckle... much like watching a dachshund bark fiercely to a rottweiler on the other side of the fence.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:42 AM   #2187
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You're weak-sauce, BigPuss. I am glad you are back around though. You make me chuckle... much like watching a dachshund bark fiercely to a rottweiler on the other side of the fence.
Back? This is my house bitch, but are welcome to stay on the porch while the big dogs run.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:49 AM   #2188
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LOL!!! See? wouldn't be the same without ya, little one.
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Who the **** calls Eli "near Elite"? Probably the same dipshits that call Flacco a glorified game-manager.
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6 and 7 are not very far apart.
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