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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:59 AM   #2191
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Who the **** calls Eli "near Elite"? Probably the same dipshits that call Flacco a glorified game-manager.
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I wouldn't call him elite.

He's not consistent enough. Take away a couple of miraculous SB plays and his 2011 season and there's really nothing that's eye popping about him. But I'd definitely put him first in line behind the elite QBs in the league.

I think there are only 4 truly elite QBs in the league right now and thats Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers and Brees.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:46 AM   #2192
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Take away a couple of miraculous SB plays and his 2011 season and there's really nothing that's eye popping about him.

For ****'s sake... I love this logic. Ya know what? Take away barry bonds' hrs and he isn't a home run hitter. Take away all Picasso's paintings and he is shitty artist.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:00 AM   #2193
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For ****'s sake... I love this logic. Ya know what? Take away barry bonds' hrs and he isn't a home run hitter. Take away all Picasso's paintings and he is shitty artist.
Yes, because taking away Bonds' entire career is the same as taking away a couple games out of Eli's career... dumbass.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:44 AM   #2194
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Yeah, it's not like they've improved the team or anything
Ok, from opening day 2011 roster to now, what has improved?

QB- I think the improvement is marginal at best. The season that Cassel had just finished was better than any Smith has ever had.

OL- Sure, it should be better. We'll see if it makes a difference.

CB- definitely worse than 2011.

Aside from that, all the improvements are "the rookies will be awesome" and "the young players will be so much better than they were."
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:52 AM   #2195
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Yes, because taking away Bonds' entire career is the same as taking away a couple games out of Eli's career... dumbass.
The point is still sound. It's like Vermeil use to do. Take away that 80 yard run we gave up, and we had a pretty good day. You don't get to do that.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:57 AM   #2196
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The point is still sound. It's like Vermeil use to do. Take away that 80 yard run we gave up, and we had a pretty good day. You don't get to do that.
There's nothing sound about it.

Eli is a streaky QB. He put together one solid season in 2011 from top to bottom. The rest of his years are peppered with Casselesque games. He'll be on fire for a few weeks and then trash for a few weeks. Last year he went 3 games straight without even throwing a TD pass. He's not consistent enough to be considered in the same league as the 4 QBs I mentioned.

On the other hand, Barry Bonds was a homerrun hitter throughout his entire career, steroids or no steroids. He was a 30/30 guy in Pittsburgh before even sniffing SF.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:58 AM   #2197
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Interesting. The last SB winner to have a 100 yard runner was the 2006 Colts.

Time to wake up and realize the NFL is changing to a passing league.

And I'd hardly consider teams like the Colts, Saints, Packers, and Patriots to be complete teams... They do, however, have 1 thing in common. Any guess?
The packers the year they won the super bowl, were a complete team in the playoffs. Their defense had as much to do with them winning the super bowl as their offense. The patriots haven't won a super bowl since adding players like randy moss, and wes welker, while losing guys like ty law, lawyer milloy, willie mcginnest. The saints defense also was a major reason they won the super bowl, or do you not remember them knocking out favre, and picking off peyton manning to seal the super bowl? The two most complete teams in football last year played in the super bowl. the most complete team (the giants) won the super bowl before. They were the most balanced teams in football. Now, would you care to tell me how I am wrong again? Lets not forget, that Aaron Rodgers, record breaking MVP season, was the year AFTER they won the super bowl, and he got bounced in the divisionals by the giants. Im not here to troll, or to stir shit up, but the myth that these days all you need is a franchise qb to win is bullshit. you need a complete team.
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Ok, from opening day 2011 roster to now, what has improved?

QB- I think the improvement is marginal at best. The season that Cassel had just finished was better than any Smith has ever had.

OL- Sure, it should be better. We'll see if it makes a difference.

CB- definitely worse than 2011.

Aside from that, all the improvements are "the rookies will be awesome" and "the young players will be so much better than they were."
Yeahhhhhh, um, you left out that little thing called coaching. That probably is the biggest difference. And if you don't think that Alex Smith is a HUGE upgrade to matt cassel, then you are either just a dip shit, or a cassel lover. There is not a person on the planet who sees alex smith as a MARGINAL upgrade to Matt Cassel. Its the difference between going from a 1970 ford pinto, to a 2011 Toyota Prius. Its a huge upgrade.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:59 AM   #2198
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There's nothing sound about it.

Eli is a streaky QB. He put together one solid season in 2011 from top to bottom. The rest of his years are peppered with Casselesque games. He'll be on fire for a few weeks and then trash for a few weeks. Last year he went 3 games straight without even throwing a TD pass. He's not consistent enough to be considered in the same league as the 4 QBs I mentioned.
You don't get to take it away though.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:01 PM   #2199
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There's nothing sound about it.

Eli is a streaky QB. He put together one solid season in 2011 from top to bottom. The rest of his years are peppered with Casselesque games. He'll be on fire for a few weeks and then trash for a few weeks. Last year he went 3 games straight without even throwing a TD pass. He's not consistent enough to be considered in the same league as the 4 QBs I mentioned.

On the other hand, Barry Bonds was a homerrun hitter throughout his entire career, steroids or no steroids. He was a 30/30 guy in Pittsburgh before even sniffing SF.
They thing that does put Eli in the elite category, is that he is so clutch when it matters the most. I would consider him Elite. I also think that matt ryan is approaching Elite status.
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The packers the year they won the super bowl, were a complete team in the playoffs. Their defense had as much to do with them winning the super bowl as their offense. The patriots haven't won a super bowl since adding players like randy moss, and wes welker, while losing guys like ty law, lawyer milloy, willie mcginnest. The saints defense also was a major reason they won the super bowl, or do you not remember them knocking out favre, and picking off peyton manning to seal the super bowl? The two most complete teams in football last year played in the super bowl. the most complete team (the giants) won the super bowl before. They were the most balanced teams in football. Now, would you care to tell me how I am wrong again? Lets not forget, that Aaron Rodgers, record breaking MVP season, was the year AFTER they won the super bowl, and he got bounced in the divisionals by the giants. Im not here to troll, or to stir shit up, but the myth that these days all you need is a franchise qb to win is bullshit. you need a complete team.
You can type in bold all you want. It doesn't make you sound any less stupid.

The "myth" of a franchise QB needed to win in this league is a factual reality.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:05 PM   #2201
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You can type in bold all you want. It doesn't make you sound any less stupid.

The "myth" of a franchise QB needed to win in this league is a factual reality.
Ironic. You are saying that in fact Eli is not elite, yet he has won two super bowls over an elite qb. And Joe Flacco is not elite, yet he won the last super bowl.

So, in recent history, my theory of the complete team is winning out over your theory of you have to have an elite qb.

So, who is sounding stupid? the proof is right there. Right in your face, I pointed it out, spelled it out, yet, im just stupid.

I get it. You are proven wrong, and instead of providing a counter argument you just resort to calling people stupid. Well played.

I am stupid, because I disproved your own theory, while you yourself were claiming a guy that has won 2 of the last 6 super bowls, is indeed, NOT Elite.

And Im stupid.

And to the bolded above. I did not say that you DONT need an elite qb, its really all in the wording.

I said, you are subscribing that ALL YOU NEED is an elite qb, and that's not the case. If that were, then either aaron Rodgers, drew brees, tom brady, or peyton would win every year.

I simply subscribe to the notion that to win a super bowl, you have to have great coaching, a great front office, great talent around you, and a good to great defense to win the super bowl.

Now, tell me im stupid?

Ill take a team that has an above average qb, like the seahawks, 49ers, Ravens, over any of the 4 elite qbs, any day of the week.
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Yeahhhhhh, um, you left out that little thing called coaching. That probably is the biggest difference. And if you don't think that Alex Smith is a HUGE upgrade to matt cassel, then you are either just a dip shit, or a cassel lover. There is not a person on the planet who sees alex smith as a MARGINAL upgrade to Matt Cassel. Its the difference between going from a 1970 ford pinto, to a 2011 Toyota Prius. Its a huge upgrade.
A two year old Prius?

That is impressive, I'm not sure a more apt metaphor for Alex Smith is even possible.
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Ironic. You are saying that in fact Eli is not elite, yet he has won two super bowls over an elite qb. And Joe Flacco is not elite, yet he won the last super bowl.
Difference between Elite and Franchise you ****ing moron.

Does someone pay you to be this ignorant or does it just come naturally?
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Difference between Elite and Franchise you ****ing moron.

Does someone pay you to be this ignorant or does it just come naturally?
No, you are running yourself in circles. because right now, ALEX SMITH, IS CONSIDERED A FRANCHISE QB. You really need to understand the difference.

You stated ELITE, that was your premise.

Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers.

That's what you said. Alex Smith is the Chiefs franchise qb. No one thinks that he is what is going to be the difference between, winning the super bowl and NOT. But, in Andy Reids eyes, he is the chiefs franchise qb. so if all you need is a FRANCHISE qb, then what the **** are you bitching for.
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