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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-16-2013, 08:56 PM   #2281
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I gotta try to be excited sbout the upside of these guys. Tired of talkin about only the doom and gloom part.
There's too much polarization. If you don't say "Alex Smith is the greatest ever, god what an amazing signing! He's going to turn this team into a superbowl contender for sure" you're a doom-and-gloomer, and on the flip side if you don't say "Alex Smith is a 7-year game-managing vet who hasn't ever shown he can successfully execute a pass-first offense, and has only ridden a strong running game and defense to martyocre wins" then you're a blind homer.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere.
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:58 PM   #2282
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There's too much polarization. If you don't say "Alex Smith is the greatest ever, god what an amazing signing! He's going to turn this team into a superbowl contender for sure" you're a doom-and-gloomer, and on the flip side if you don't say "Alex Smith is a 7-year game-managing vet who hasn't ever shown he can successfully execute a pass-first offense, and has only ridden a strong running game and defense to martyocre wins" then you're a blind homer.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere.
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Old 05-16-2013, 08:58 PM   #2283
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There's too much polarization. If you don't say "Alex Smith is the greatest ever, god what an amazing signing! He's going to turn this team into a superbowl contender for sure" you're a doom-and-gloomer, and on the flip side if you don't say "Alex Smith is a 7-year game-managing vet who hasn't ever shown he can successfully execute a pass-first offense, and has only ridden a strong running game and defense to martyocre wins" then you're a blind homer.

There has to be a middle ground somewhere.
yep.

I blame the niners fans...
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:03 PM   #2284
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I don't know if anybody has said this or not, but everything I'm reading looks like you all seem to think the Chiefs simply said, oh, if we can get to 8-8 that would be awesome! That would be well worth the 2 2's. That's not the way negotiations work.

You gotta remember this team was 2-14 last year. That's only 14%. If they improve to 8-8 that takes them to 50% which is a 36% increase in winning percentage over the previous year.

You better believe they were throwing those numbers at the Chiefs and using it to their advantage. I highly doubt the Dorsey/Reid/Hunt are simply striving for 8-8.

They paid what they had to for the player they targeted and feel can take them well beyond 8-8.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:16 PM   #2285
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I don't know if anybody has said this or not, but everything I'm reading looks like you all seem to think the Chiefs simply said, oh, if we can get to 8-8 that would be awesome! That would be well worth the 2 2's. That's not the way negotiations work.

You gotta remember this team was 2-14 last year. That's only 14%. If they improve to 8-8 that takes them to 50% which is a 36% increase in winning percentage over the previous year.

You better believe they were throwing those numbers at the Chiefs and using it to their advantage. I highly doubt the Dorsey/Reid/Hunt are simply striving for 8-8.

They paid what they had to for the player they targeted and feel can take them well beyond 8-8.

It's not just that and it has been mentioned in this thread that other teams weren't willing to give up more than a 3rd round pick. That is the biggest issue is some of us think we could have got Alex Smith for cheaper compensation had they been patient. The combine wasn't even over and the rumor was Alex Smith to the Chiefs. We didn't get the opportunity to draft a quarterback because of Alex Smith trade.

I'm sad over the deal and upset. I can try to refrain some of my anger toward the deal but these asshole from the 9ers come here and tell me how I should react and like this deal is really pissing me off.

I don't want to like Alex Smith it's that simple. I didn't want him before and I don't want him now but I will root for the Chiefs and if he makes plays for us and we win ball games then I can be happy enough about that. If not then it was all a joke on us with egg in our face but don't say I was fooled.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:52 PM   #2286
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You gotta remember this team was 2-14 last year. That's only 14%. If they improve to 8-8 that takes them to 50% which is a 36% increase in winning percentage over the previous year.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:06 PM   #2287
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:47 PM   #2288
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Hmm, I see a common theme for all of the game manager/above average guys who have won it:

Elite defenses.

So, basically the Chiefs' hopes of winning in the playoffs with Alex Smith rest on Andy Reid deviating drastically from his career offensive designs and going instead to a ball-control, Martyball approach, and the defense blossoming into an elite to all-time-great defense under the tutelage of an offensive-minded coach.

Sounds like a winner.
What's the problem then? Cake walk. /sarc
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:57 PM   #2289
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I never said I expected those numbers. I'm saying for this trade not to be a massive waste of draft picks (which I believe it is), his production needs to rise to that level, and it needs to get there immediately. The only way this is a good trade is if he becomes a consistent 4000+ yard/25+ TD passer for the next 5 years.

You don't have to give up anything to find a guy who can throw for 3500 yards and 20 TDs. Hell, Jason Campbell's done that. You don't give up multiple 2nds for a guy you expect to ride the running game and defense to wins. At least I hope this front office doesn't (still) think that way. Although I suspect in the end that's exactly what they've done, whether it was their intention or not.
You have unrealistic expectations.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:59 PM   #2290
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I wonder where Alexs 16.6 passes per TD ranks in the league last year. I would guess it's top ten.
You're talking TD percentage.

He would have been good for fifth if he had kept his rate up for the entire year.

That's a big if.

Previous year he was 22nd.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:04 AM   #2291
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It's not just that and it has been mentioned in this thread that other teams weren't willing to give up more than a 3rd round pick. That is the biggest issue is some of us think we could have got Alex Smith for cheaper compensation had they been patient. The combine wasn't even over and the rumor was Alex Smith to the Chiefs. We didn't get the opportunity to draft a quarterback because of Alex Smith trade.
It is funny. When Pioli was here all of you bitched because he took too long to sign free agents and all the good ones were gone. Reid signs the top free agent QB FIRST before anyone else can ( and there were other interested teams) and you bitch. Is there anything that won't make you bitch?
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:04 AM   #2292
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I wouldn't call him elite.

He's not consistent enough. Take away a couple of miraculous SB plays and his 2011 season and there's really nothing that's eye popping about him. But I'd definitely put him first in line behind the elite QBs in the league.

I think there are only 4 truly elite QBs in the league right now and thats Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers and Brees.
Bingo. It is a crime to mention Eli and his elite brother in the same breath. Put those Giants defenses behind Peyton and give him Nicks, Cruz and Manningham. Peyton would have had 4 SB rings, not 2.

Eli is Ben Roethlisberger. Great clutch QB who is solidly top 10 but NOT elite.

The 4 you mentioned are the only elite QBs in the NFL, with Flacco is knocking on their door but not their yet and may never be. 6th place is not even close.

Whether Eli is the 6th or 10th best starting NFL QB, it is not even close to Brady, Peyton, Rodgers and Brees.

Now add in Luck, Kapernick, RGIII and Wilson, and 3 years from now I have no clue who the elite QBs in the league will be. I know there is a good chance that both Brady and Manning will be in retirement.

Eli elite? Only if his birth certificate reads Eli Te Manning.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:06 AM   #2293
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For ****'s sake... I love this logic. Ya know what? Take away barry bonds' hrs and he isn't a home run hitter. Take away all Picasso's paintings and he is shitty artist.
Matt Cassel could have won a super bowl with the Giants defense, Nicks, Cruz and Manningham.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:08 AM   #2294
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You have unrealistic expectations.
Au contraire. My expectations are that he never surpasses either 3500 yards or 20 TD. That would be why I believe multiple 2nd round picks was unwarranted value in return.
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