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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-17-2013, 01:15 AM   #2296
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You're talking TD percentage.

He would have been good for fifth if he had kept his rate up for the entire year.

That's a big if.

Previous year he was 22nd.
You don't sign/trade for a play based on what hes done...you sign him based on what he can do for you in the future.

Last year, he was on pace for 26 tds and 3500 yards and was very accurate.

Those are based on minimal pass attempts.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:24 AM   #2297
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For ****'s sake... I love this logic. Ya know what? Take away barry bonds' hrs and he isn't a home run hitter. Take away all Picasso's paintings and he is shitty artist.
Here is a perfect example of Eli being more lucky than good.

Not once, but TWICE in the 2011 NFCC game vs. the f49ers, Eli threw boneheaded interceptions perfectly into the waiting hands of 49ers DBs.

The only reason those 2 passes weren't picked off is because the 49ers DBs smashed into each other both times, knocking EASY interceptions out of each others hands.

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On 1st and 10, Jacobs with the carry picked up 5 yards. On 2nd and 5, Manning play-faked and decided to throw it away. On 3rd and 5, Manning threw for Hakeem Nicks - Brown and Goldson, both with clear shots at an interception, collided and Brown had to leave the game.

On first down, Manning threw complete to Hynoski in the flat for a gain of 9. On 2nd and 1, Manning went deep for Cruz - Rogers undercut the route for an interception, but Goldson ran into him. On 2nd and 10, Bradshaw took the carry for a 4-yard gain. On 3rd and 6, Manning from the shotgun threw incomplete - 4th down.
Goldson broke up easy interceptions by both of his teammates. Easy. Just asinine throws by Eli.



Pics of the 1st one Eli put right on Brown's fingers before Goldson blew him up.










Eli is luckier than any other sumbitch super bowl winning QB in history.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:27 AM   #2298
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Au contraire. My expectations are that he never surpasses either 3500 yards or 20 TD. That would be why I believe multiple 2nd round picks was unwarranted value in return.
No, your expectations for the trade to be worth it. Unrealistic. And unfair to not give him and the team a reasonable amount of time to get things together. Expecting immediate success, when the entire offense is learning a new playbook.

I suppose it will make it easier for you to say "I told you so", which I think is what you are up to.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:32 AM   #2299
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We didn't get the opportunity to draft a quarterback because of Alex Smith trade.
We had a perfect opportunity to draft a quarterback in the draft. Unfortunately, just like every other team in the league, they didn't feel it was worth reaching on one and wanted to fill the biggest hole on the team as quickly as possible with a guy many consider was the best available.

If there were obvious super star options at QB like there were last year and this organization had traded for Smith instead of drafting one of them I could understand the hate. That simply wasn't the case, though.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:40 AM   #2300
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Wait... Alex Smiths biggest fan just called him a 2011 Prius?
After 8 years in the NFL, Alex is a 2005 Prius.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:46 AM   #2301
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I can't believe you guys are still argueing-LOL Wow give it a rest already.
Alex Smith threads don't end. They don't even have a half-life.

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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:56 AM   #2302
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Cliff Notes on this Thread!

Alex Smith Sucks! He is the worst QB to ever play the game. Alice is injury prone, can't read defenses, can't throw and was the worst option for the chiefs. The 9ers are smart and will win multiple SB's becasue of the trade and the Chiefs will be doomed for decades.

Alice we hate you, don't want you here and would rather see you die in a fire than throw one pass for us.

Anyone that likes Alex or the trade is a Ballwashing Homer and can die in the same fire.

**** you Andy, **** you Dorsey, **** you Clark, **** you Chiefs and a double **** you Alice Myth!!
Try this for Cliffs Notes.

"The Chiefs got raped in trade for a soon-to-be-cut mediocre QB.

"The Chiefs refuse to draft a franchise QB.

"The Chiefs won't be drafting high next year.

"The Chiefs have no 2nd round pick next year.

"The Chiefs have no 2nd round pick the year after either.

"The Chiefs are not going to the playoffs this year.

"The Chiefs will never win a super bowl with Alex Smith."


How is that for Cliffs Notes. Pwned by a ****ing 49ers fan on your own forum.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:59 AM   #2303
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That's unfair to a Prius'.

At least those things can be reliable.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:00 AM   #2304
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Nuke this thread from orbit
Wouldn't stop it. It would continue unabated in the cold vacuum of space. Alex threads don't die. They are like an infinite loop that warps the space-time continuum.

They just get new titles, but they go on and on and on.

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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:05 AM   #2305
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I wonder where Alexs 16.6 passes per TD ranks in the league last year. I would guess it's top ten.
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That is a perfect Alex description in a nutshell.

All of Tom Brady's efficiency with none of his production.

Tom Brady is anxious to make throws into coverage that Alex Smith would not do with a gun to his dear mother's head.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:11 AM   #2306
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Try this for Cliffs Notes.

"The Chiefs got raped in trade for a soon-to-be-cut mediocre QB.

"The Chiefs refuse to draft a franchise QB.

"The Chiefs won't be drafting high next year.

"The Chiefs have no 2nd round pick next year.

"The Chiefs have no 2nd round pick the year after either.

"The Chiefs are not going to the playoffs this year.

"The Chiefs will never win a super bowl with Alex Smith."


How is that for Cliffs Notes. Pwned by a ****ing 49ers fan on your own forum.
Hey now, that's still in play.
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Old 05-17-2013, 02:34 AM   #2307
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No, your expectations for the trade to be worth it. Unrealistic. And unfair to not give him and the team a reasonable amount of time to get things together. Expecting immediate success, when the entire offense is learning a new playbook.

I suppose it will make it easier for you to say "I told you so", which I think is what you are up to.
Have you (or has anyone else for that matter) ever heard me say "I told you so" about anything? I've been on this site for how many years now?

Newsflash: I hope I'm wrong. Because things will be much more enjoyable as a fan if he produces to level of the exorbitant trade value we gave up for him.

As far as it being "unfair" and having to "give him and the team a reasonable amount of time to get things together," well, let's look at some other new quarterbacks starting over in new places who've met my "unrealistic" standards for value in the wake of the Alex Smith trade:

Drew Brees, New Orleans, 2006: 4418 yards passing, 26 TD, 11 INT.
Jon Kitna, Detroit, 2006: 4208 yards passing, 21 TD, 22 INT.
Brett Favre, Minnesota, 2009, 4202 yards passing, 33 TD, 7 INT.
Peyton Manning, Denver, 2012: 4659 yards passing, 37 TD, 11 INT.

And here's a few who haven't:
Matt Cassel, KC, 2009: 2924 yards, 16 TD, 16 INT.
Jay Cutler, Chicago, 2009: 3666 yards, 27 TD, 26 INT.
Matt Hasselbeck, Tennessee, 2011: 3571 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT.
Donovan McNabb, Washington, 2010: 3377 yards, 14 TD, 15 INT.
Carson Palmer: Oakland, 2011: 2753 yards, 13 TD, 16 INT.
Chad Pennington, Miami, 2008: 3653 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT.

So, basically, you're telling me I should be satisfied if trading a pair of 2nd rounders nets us the performance from the guys in that second group, that it's "okay" if Alex Smith just ends up being another bust trade like Carson Palmer or Jay Cutler. That it's too much to hope for Alex Smith to perform like Favre or Manning or Brees or even the mighty Jon Kitna?

If that's the case, then why trade 2nd round picks for him?
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:09 AM   #2308
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Have you (or has anyone else for that matter) ever heard me say "I told you so" about anything? I've been on this site for how many years now?

Newsflash: I hope I'm wrong. Because things will be much more enjoyable as a fan if he produces to level of the exorbitant trade value we gave up for him.

As far as it being "unfair" and having to "give him and the team a reasonable amount of time to get things together," well, let's look at some other new quarterbacks starting over in new places who've met my "unrealistic" standards for value in the wake of the Alex Smith trade:

Drew Brees, New Orleans, 2006: 4418 yards passing, 26 TD, 11 INT.
Jon Kitna, Detroit, 2006: 4208 yards passing, 21 TD, 22 INT.
Brett Favre, Minnesota, 2009, 4202 yards passing, 33 TD, 7 INT.
Peyton Manning, Denver, 2012: 4659 yards passing, 37 TD, 11 INT.

And here's a few who haven't:
Matt Cassel, KC, 2009: 2924 yards, 16 TD, 16 INT.
Jay Cutler, Chicago, 2009: 3666 yards, 27 TD, 26 INT.
Matt Hasselbeck, Tennessee, 2011: 3571 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT.
Donovan McNabb, Washington, 2010: 3377 yards, 14 TD, 15 INT.
Carson Palmer: Oakland, 2011: 2753 yards, 13 TD, 16 INT.
Chad Pennington, Miami, 2008: 3653 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT.

So, basically, you're telling me I should be satisfied if trading a pair of 2nd rounders nets us the performance from the guys in that second group, that it's "okay" if Alex Smith just ends up being another bust trade like Carson Palmer or Jay Cutler. That it's too much to hope for Alex Smith to perform like Favre or Manning or Brees or even the mighty Jon Kitna?

If that's the case, then why trade 2nd round picks for him?
That is NOT what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is that we should expect some rough edges early in the season, with him getting better as the season goes on. If by the end of the season he is still playing like the second group you will have a point, but not immediately from the beginning as you claim. To call him a failure if he doesn't perform like the first group from the beginning is unreasonable.
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Old 05-17-2013, 05:28 AM   #2309
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That is NOT what I'm saying at all. What I am saying is that we should expect some rough edges early in the season, with him getting better as the season goes on. If by the end of the season he is still playing like the second group you will have a point, but not immediately from the beginning as you claim. To call him a failure if he doesn't perform like the first group from the beginning is unreasonable.
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