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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-17-2013, 06:47 AM   #2311
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yep.

I blame the niners fans...
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One side of that was going on long before the niner fans showed up. And if anyone is clearly in that middle ground, it's the guy formerly known as Alex Smith Fan.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:20 AM   #2312
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.... and if you guys feel better about blaming me, knock yourselves out.. but there was deep misery and butt-hurtedness from you long before I got here. I wasn't even gonna register here, but the crying and despair was so intense that I wanted to try and alleviate some of that pain.

Haha, ooops...
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:40 AM   #2313
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It is funny. When Pioli was here all of you bitched because he took too long to sign free agents and all the good ones were gone. Reid signs the top free agent QB FIRST before anyone else can ( and there were other interested teams) and you bitch. Is there anything that won't make you bitch?
This post is just totally wrong.

Unless you are talking about bray.


Smith was not a free agent, we didn't sign him to anything. He already had a contract
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:43 AM   #2314
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One side of that was going on long before the niner fans showed up. And if anyone is clearly in that middle ground, it's the guy formerly known as Alex Smith Fan.
Bullshit. The niners fans showed up the day it was rumored he was coming.

And Alex Smith fan is delusional
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:59 AM   #2315
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.... and if you guys feel better about blaming me, knock yourselves out.. but there was deep misery and butt-hurtedness from you long before I got here. I wasn't even gonna register here, but the crying and despair was so intense that I wanted to try and alleviate some of that pain.

Haha, ooops...
Damn, I called that one didn't I? You came to educate and had the tables turned
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:09 AM   #2316
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Damn, I called that one didn't I? You came to educate and had the tables turned
No. What I got was a bunch of people that simply didn't want to take my hand as I tried to steer them away from the ledge. Problem now is, they just stand up on that ledge every day... won't jump. Why won't they just jump?
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:21 AM   #2317
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No. What I got was a bunch of people that simply didn't want to take my hand as I tried to steer them away from the ledge. Problem now is, they just stand up on that ledge every day... won't jump. Why won't they just jump?

What you got was educated by posters that presented you facts that contradicted your "eye test" evaluations. Then you became ass hurt and started to move towards this “Anti negative fan shtick” while trying to pretend to be "above everyone else".
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:22 AM   #2318
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No. What I got was a bunch of people that simply didn't want to take my hand as I tried to steer them away from the ledge. Problem now is, they just stand up on that ledge every day... won't jump. Why won't they just jump?
My dad actually taught me that when a weird man trys to hold my hand run and get him so he can **** that dude up...
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:30 AM   #2319
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It is funny. When ***** was here all of you bitched because he took too long to sign free agents and all the good ones were gone. Reid signs the top free agent QB FIRST before anyone else can ( and there were other interested teams) and you bitch. Is there anything that won't make you bitch?
If Alex Smith was a FA signing, no one would bitch (though people might still be concerned about the org tying its long-term future to him). Or at least I wouldn't. Hell, I wouldn't bitch if they just had given up less to get him.

But he's not. They gave up TWO high picks for him, picks that limited their draft flexibility and options in TWO drafts and made it less likely they try or are in position to try taking a guy who can be a franchise QB, with the skills to be an elite or near-elite guy.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:35 AM   #2320
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Have you (or has anyone else for that matter) ever heard me say "I told you so" about anything? I've been on this site for how many years now?

Newsflash: I hope I'm wrong. Because things will be much more enjoyable as a fan if he produces to level of the exorbitant trade value we gave up for him.

As far as it being "unfair" and having to "give him and the team a reasonable amount of time to get things together," well, let's look at some other new quarterbacks starting over in new places who've met my "unrealistic" standards for value in the wake of the Alex Smith trade:

Drew Brees, New Orleans, 2006: 4418 yards passing, 26 TD, 11 INT.
Jon Kitna, Detroit, 2006: 4208 yards passing, 21 TD, 22 INT.
Brett Favre, Minnesota, 2009, 4202 yards I
Peyton Manning, Denver, 2012: 4659 yards passing, 37 TD, 11 INT.


Matt Cassel,
Jay Cutler, Chicago, 2009: 3666 yards, 27 TD, 26 INT.
Matt Hasselbeck, Tennessee, 2011: 3571 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT.
Donovan McNabb, Washington, 2010: 3377 yards, 14 TD, 15 INT.
Carson Palmer: Oakland, 2011: 2753 yards, 13 TD, 16 INT.
Chad Pennington, Miami, 2008: 3653 yards, 19 TD, 7 INT.

So, basically, you're telling me I should be satisfied if trading a pair of 2nd rounders nets us the performance from the guys in that second group, that it's "okay" if Alex Smith just ends up being another bust trade like Carson Palmer or Jay Cutler. That it's too much to hope for Alex Smith to perform like Favre
or Manning or Brees or even the mighty Jon Kitna?

If that's the case, then why trade 2nd round picks for him?
Chad Pennington in 2008 was pretty good.

Won 11 games with the team that had the top pick in the draft.

If we get that kind of year out of Alex, things will be looking up.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:40 AM   #2321
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Chad Pennington in 2008 was pretty good.

Won 11 games with the team that had the top pick in the draft.

If we get that kind of year out of Alex, things will be looking up.
How long did that Dolphin's ride last?

I believe it was only 1 year, yes? How'd they fair in the playoffs? Bounced in the wildcard game 27-9? Then back to 7-9 and 3rd in the division since.

Where's that top pick they selected now?
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:44 AM   #2322
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Chad Pennington in 2008 was pretty good.

Won 11 games with the team that had the top pick in the draft.

If we get that kind of year out of Alex, things will be looking up.


Then didn't Chad Pennington start missing games due to injury? So just how long is Alex Myth going be our quarterback?
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:45 AM   #2323
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He got hurt the next year iirc.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:47 AM   #2324
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Then didn't Chad Pennington start missing games due to injury? So just how long is Alex Myth going be our quarterback?
No more than 2 years...

Let go Bray! Shock the world!
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Then didn't Chad Pennington start missing games due to injury? So just how long is Alex Myth going be our quarterback?
Barring injury, I think be gets 24 games to show he can lead this team to similar success SF had with him the last 2 seasons.
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