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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #271
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:33 PM   #272
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OK. It's cheaper than what the Chiefs paid for Trent Green, fwiw. I think it will be well worth it if the Chiefs offense performs as well under Alex Smith as it did under Trent Green.
Why do people keep acting like Alex Smith is Trent Green?

Green before coming here had a 3400 yard 23 TD season, and a 5 start season in which he had 2000 yards and 16 TDs. Alex Smith has never had that type of production in his career.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:35 PM   #273
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Just so that there's no misunderstanding, I agree that the Chiefs paid too much for Alex Smith. Two second round draft picks just sounds like way too much.

The difference is that I'm not ready to lynch Reid and Dorsey for doing it. I hope Alex Smith outperforms his expectations. If he doesn't, then I'll wait and see how everything else goes for the next couple of years before passing judgment one way or the other.
Amazing coincidence isn't it, how every GM/HC keep doing the same thing? Amazing!
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It's entirely possible that in the long run the Alex Smith trade will turn out to be a failure but the vast majority of the other moves Reid and Dorsey make will turn out to be successes. No GM hits on every decision, and it's too early to condemn Reid and Dorsey. Like I've said many times, their teams haven't played a game yet.
The Chiefs have been failing on the most important position decision since Lenny the cool. Montana was awesome, but he was damaged goods for only two years.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:37 PM   #274
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:40 PM   #275
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I think Trent Green was a better quarterback. If Alex Smith raises his play to Trent's level, then that is a discussion that can take place.
If Alex Smith raises his play to Trent's level, the discussion will be over.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:41 PM   #276
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Why do people keep acting like Alex Smith is Trent Green?

Green before coming here had a 3400 yard 23 TD season, and a 5 start season in which he had 2000 yards and 16 TDs. Alex Smith has never had that type of production in his career.
Because both are guys that a new Chiefs regime hand picked and traded for to lead their team. I don't think the statistics that each of them racked up with their previous teams, under dramatically different offensive philosophies has much to do with it.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:46 PM   #277
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Because both are guys that a new Chiefs regime hand picked and traded for to lead their team. I don't think the statistics that each of them racked up with their previous teams, under dramatically different offensive philosophies has much to do with it.
Ok then. So the Matt Cassel comparisons are also valid?
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:48 PM   #278
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Smith has one good game and Dorsey and Reid jizz all over and mortgage our future for him.
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Old 05-06-2013, 01:48 PM   #279
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If Alex Smith raises his play to Trent's level, the discussion will be over.
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You know, if Vince Young comes in here and starts playing like Peyton Manning I think we might have something fellas!
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Ok then. So the Matt Cassel comparisons are also valid?
It depends on what you mean by comparison. You can't say that because Alex Smith is a hand picked QB that a new Chiefs regime traded a draft pick to get just like Matt Cassel that he's the same as Matt Cassel (or the same as Trent Green for that matter). You can say that he's more expensive than Matt Cassel and less expensive than Trent Green though.

Some comparisons are valid and some aren't. Do you want to run a specific one by me for my opinion on the matter?
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Smith has one good game and Dorsey and Reid jizz all over and mortgage our future for him.
Well to be fair, they didn't have any real time invested in the team and everyone else has done the same thing when running the Chiefs.
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The argument just went from "Alex Smith is a winning QB! Look at his last two years and how he led the 49ers to the playoffs"

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"8-8 is a HUGE improvement! We only won 2 games last year! We should be happy with 8-8"
Except for the fact that no one is saying that.
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Except for the fact that no one is saying that.
Have you read the whole thread? BRC's posts?
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Except for the fact that no one is saying that.
You sure about that? After a quick search where I just searched the word "improvement"...

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This team won 2 games last year. 6 win improvement.
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You obviously feel that there is no difference between 2-14 and 8-8, and I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Neither one gets you into the playoffs, certainly not with any hope of a deep playoff run. If the ultimate goal of Reid and Dorsey is to simply go 8-8 every year and put as many butts in the seats as possible, then I'm right there with you.

But I think Reid and Dorsey are looking at this in two phases. The first phase is to simply lift the team up to respectability as quickly as possible. Let's face it: Scott ***** destroyed everything and alienated most of the fans. You may not think it's a significant improvement if this team goes 8-8 next year, but I respectfully disagree. The 2-14 debacle of last year was horrific. 8-8 next season is realistically achievable and would stop the hemorrhaging that turned this team into the laughingstock of the NFL. Obviously I would rather see the Chiefs improve from 2-14 to 14-2 next season, but that's just unrealistic. And based upon the apparent lack of real talent in this rookie class, the Chiefs sure as hell wouldn't go 14-2 next year witih a rookie quarterback as the starter.

The second phase will be to build a team for the future, which will include drafting a QBOTF.

Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith. It was a really bad time to be in the market for a quarterback. Drue Brees wasn't sitting out there as a free agent. Andrew Luck wasn't sitting there waiting to be drafted. Reid and Dorsey made their decision and went with it.

I'm willing to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope that the majority of the decisions they make turn out to be good ones, even if I don't necessarily love this one. Time will tell. It's going to take a hell of lot more time than a couple of months in their first offseason to evaluate whether they're total morons, competent, or total ****ing football geniuses. If they go 8-8 and 10-6 in their first two seasons AND they have a promising young quarterback on their roster, I would call that a damn good start.

I know, everything would be rainbows and unicorns if they had drafted Geno Smith and Smith turned out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. But Reid and Dorsey obviously didn't think that highly of Geno or any other quarterback in this draft. The fact that every other GM in the NFL agreed with them gives credibility to their decision making process.

It's fine to make risky draft choices. But if you draft someone just because you wish and hope they'll be great when every evaluation you do tells you otherwise, that's not a risky draft choice. It's a stupid one.

In other words, cool your jets. There will be plenty of time for wailing and gnashing of teeth if Reid and Dorsy fail. In the meantime, all you're doing is driving up each other's blood pressure and you're not accomplishing anything.
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