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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:04 PM   #811
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I'm still glad we didn't go with Flynn... just because of the Dorsey connection. Don't really care about the draft picks... even if next years turns into a 2nd.
I'm glad we didn't go Flynn too...

But those seconds are good trade up ammo.

Couple seconds or a first?
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:12 PM   #812
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I think many of us critics hope like heck that we are wrong! I sure do!

I have tried repeatedly to remain positive when they keep doing the same darn thing over and over again.

Pretty soon you have to look the horse right in the mouth and say, damn, you are not winning the Kentucky Derby as a Shetland Pony no matter how much I like you.
Alex, the Palamino.

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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:24 PM   #813
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Can't wait to see Alex single-handedly keep that second round pick all safe and secure. You go girl!
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:48 PM   #814
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Trading away a second round pick for another teams backup to be our starting quarterback isn't a parallel?
no, because if you had LISTENED, Andy Reid had made it PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, that he has liked alex smith since he was drafted. That is the qb he wanted. he had other options. What other options did pioli have? He targeted Matt Cassell and that was it. The Chiefs could of went after Kolb for nothing, Palmer for peanuts, Flynn who dorsey was familiar with. So many other ways to go. At the end of the day, the HEAD COACH, not the GM, the head coach got who he wanted.
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I'm glad we didn't go Flynn too...

But those seconds are good trade up ammo.

Couple seconds or a first?
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If Alex Smith is as horrible as some of you doomsday fans are, you wont have to worry about that second rounder, you will be top 10 and able to get a qb next year.....Which, i believe you will draft on in the first round next year, regardless of where you are. The draft class should be ridiculously deep.

I do take offense, that i am considered a troll. i am not laughing at you, i am not screaming how you suck, I am not doing what kaepernick is doing, running down your team to get on your good side. Im just here to talk football. If that makes me a "troll", then you really need to post a definition of it.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:53 PM   #815
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no, because if you had LISTENED, Andy Reid had made it PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, that he has liked alex smith since he was drafted. That is the qb he wanted. he had other options. What other options did pioli have? He targeted Matt Cassell and that was it. The Chiefs could of went after Kolb for nothing, Palmer for peanuts, Flynn who dorsey was familiar with. So many other ways to go. At the end of the day, the HEAD COACH, not the GM, the head coach got who he wanted.


If Alex Smith is as horrible as some of you doomsday fans are, you wont have to worry about that second rounder, you will be top 10 and able to get a qb next year.....Which, i believe you will draft on in the first round next year, regardless of where you are. The draft class should be ridiculously deep.

I do take offense, that i am considered a troll. i am not laughing at you, i am not screaming how you suck, I am not doing what kaepernick is doing, running down your team to get on your good side. Im just here to talk football. If that makes me a "troll", then you really need to post a definition of it.
its gonna take to two to get anything worthwhile. And Alex Smith IS better than that
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:55 PM   #816
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8-8 is still a shitty team. Get real.
Cowboys and Steelers both went 8-8 last year.

This put them tied for 15th in the league in wins. Dead nuts in the heart of mediocre.

Of course both missed the playoffs.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

I'm just saying the dude predicted to the T how Alex Smith would affect the board, and he has been right.
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:00 PM   #817
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one thing we can all agree on:

its going to be a long ****ing time till August
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one thing we can all agree on:

its going to be a long ****ing time till August
unfortunately......
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:04 PM   #819
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unfortunately......
That I can agree with you on dude
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:08 PM   #820
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I'm pretty sure nobody but you gives Alice Smiff credit for Kaepernick's success.
I have to correct you on that one.

Jim Harbaugh gave Alex Smith a great deal of credit for mentoring Kaepernick.
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But instead of sulking, Smith devoted himself to being a mentor and coach.

"Another guy with Alex's experience may have not been as willing to help," 49ers fullback Bruce Miller said. "Colin being young, Alex being the veteran, he helped him game-plan and helped in meetings."

49ers coach Jim Harbaugh paid Smith a huge compliment Monday.

"Alex has really helped coach Colin in meetings every single day," Harbaugh said. "He coaches Colin now more than I do. That speaks volumes to how good a teammate Alex Smith is."

"When Kaep comes to the sidelines, Alex tells him what he sees. Whatever happens, I just wish the best for Alex."
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

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Old 05-07-2013, 11:14 PM   #821
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Teammates loved Alex. That's indisputable. Great player, no. Great teammate, yes. Smart, hard worker, extremely intelligent. His teammates thought the world of him. He was very popular in the locker room.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

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Old 05-07-2013, 11:36 PM   #822
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See, you're missing the point. You cannot win big in this league if you have a quarterback who needs to be coddled and can't be "unleashed." It just isn't done anymore outside of once-in-a-lifetime circumstances like that insane 2000 Ravens defense.
When has this not been true?

You are right to say that the last game manager to win a super bowl was Trent Dilfer in 2000. Even Brad Johnson can't be a game manager, the year he had in 2003 with the Bucs.

But it goes way back to before 2000. Elite QB play is a staple of super bowl winning teams.

Just looking back 25 years, you can see that most SB winning QBs have been elite or nearly elite.

2012 Joe Flacco Near elite
2011 Eli Manning Near elite
2010 Aaron Rodgers Elite
2009 Drew Brees Elite
2008 Ben Roethlisberger Near elite
2007 Eli Manning Near elite
2006 Peyton Manning Elite
2005 Ben Roethlisberger Near elite
2004 Tom Brady Elite
2003 Tom Brady Elite
2002 Brad Johnson Top 10
2001 Tom Brady Elite
2000 Trent Dilfer Game Manager
1999 Kurt Warner Elite
1998 John Elway Elite
1997 John Elway Elite
1996 Brett Favre Elite
1995 Troy Aikman Elite
1994 Steve Young Elite
1993 Troy Aikman Elite
1992 Troy Aikman Elite
1991 Mark Rypien Top 10
1990 Jeff Hoestetler Game Manager
1989 Joe Montana Elite
1988 Joe Montana Elite

Only 2 game managers have one a superbowl in the last 25 years.

Elite QBs won 16 of the last 25 superbowls.

Add in the "near elite" QBs, and combined they have won 21 of the past 25, including the last 10 superbowls.

A game manager has not won a super bowl in 12 years.
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Where is Kaepernick when you need him? This dude was the ****ing Nostradamus of the Alex Smith effect...

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Old 05-07-2013, 11:48 PM   #823
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Okay. I'll buy that.
I sense sarcasm in this post
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:03 AM   #824
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There is a reason Jim Harbaugh is quoted saying, "Do we need a top-flight quarterback? Do human beings need air to breathe?"

Harbaugh was not in SF a week before he told a reporter that. Not a week. It is that vital to him.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:06 AM   #825
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that's the patriots fan that arrived with Matt Cassel...i mean arrived with Matt Cassel's cock punching his duodenum

4 years of this epic **** tard lecturing us on how amazing Cassel was and how we just couldn't see it...lecturing us about our own god damn team, about which he knew nothing...

4 years of being the single most embarrassingly dumb poster on the planet...4 years of being dead wrong about everything (Marcellus-level dumb)

fast forward...one whole day...another worthless backup arrives, but this time he brings his own short bus of special fans...fans all wearing t-shirts from some mall kiosk that have a low-res photo of Smith's face underneath the words, "Backups Are People Too"

on behalf of Chiefsplanet, I'd like to welcome you...welcome you to throw yourselves, and your fat stupid ugly families into an industrial strength wood chipper
Alex isn't a back up. He's a starter. The second he wasn't the guy in SF his fate was sealed. It was just a matter of where he'd be starting next. It's not like Alex was a bad QB and was replaced with a decent one. He was a good qb replaced with one that has already set records.
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