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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-08-2013, 08:32 AM   #886
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They'll be competitive. This is a very talented team. The days of losing by 30 at Arrowhead are in the past. They'll take care of the ball this year, something that's plagued them the last couple seasons.
Ya I think the coaching will help us win some games by default
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Alex Smith is really talented. BIG arm, very mobile. The injury is really just bad luck.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:33 AM   #887
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It's gona be a pleasure to watch a competitive football team. I want my own drafted QB like everyone but I don't want another 2 win season
This. As much as I bitch about Alex Smith we should be competitive in just about every game.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:37 AM   #888
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This. As much as I bitch about Alex Smith we should be competitive in just about every game.
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Ya we may have a game where we aren't playing well and lose 35-20 or something but not 35-3. We were in the games against elite teams
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:38 AM   #889
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Here is why I think this fails. Here are Smiths attempts and QB rating for the last 4 years.

09 33.8 att/game 81.5 QB Rating
10 31.09 att/game 82.4 QB Rating
11 27.8 att/game 90.7 QB Rating
12 21.8 att/game 104.1 QB rating


The 2012 Eagles averaged 38.6 att/game.

So as you can see what the "QB Whisperer" Jim Harbaugh did took the ball out of Smith's hands more. Boom. All of a sudden he is "better".

Hopefully Reid adjust, but a lot of these guys get their system and phiolosphy and don't want to vary from it, or just resort back to it out of instinct. If Alex throws 38 times a game you are on pace to be looking at Matt Cassell/Mark Sanchez type results.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:42 AM   #890
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Alot of those "pass attempts" are going to be screens and flares to Charles, Dex, and Knile
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:47 AM   #891
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Avery was also a great signing, because his deep speed will allow more room for the underneath stuff.

Yeah, yeah Smith doesn't throw deep much, but D's aren't going to allow Donnie to streak down the field uncovered.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:48 AM   #892
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Alot of those "pass attempts" are going to be screens and flares to Charles, Dex, and Knile
You can only do that for so long.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:50 AM   #893
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Avery was also a great signing, because his deep speed will allow more room for the underneath stuff.

Yeah, yeah Smith doesn't throw deep much, but D's aren't going to allow Donnie to streak down the field uncovered.
This isn't the first "fast" guy he has ever played with.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:53 AM   #894
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At the risk of repeating what someone might have explained. Reasons for the low pass attempts include:

- Harbaugh loves his balanced offense... even did with the Great Andrew Luck as his QB.
- We do have the excellent Frank Gore, and many of our OL drafted prior to Harbaugh were there more for being dominant run blockers.
- SF has one of the best defenses and punters in the game... playing the field position game was always a high priority to our defensive minded coaches prior to Harbaugh.
- passing games were said to always take the longest to evolve in a new scheme... which we so frequently had from all of the coaching carousels.
- even the dynamic Kaepernick was averaging 27 attempts per game (the games counted after he shared snaps in STL after Smith concussion)
- some may have it implanted in their heads that Alex will fail if asked to throw the ball more. I really don't think this will be a problem. As long as the threat of the run stays reasonably strong (for PA too), more attempts shouldn't be some horrible detriment to success.

*not forcing this opinion on others... just stating my opinion on it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:55 AM   #895
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You can only do that for so long.
In prior years, Alex definitely threw a lot of underneath dump-offs to the backs. It was clear to most that in 2012, he was making far more outside throws to his WRs.. getting them more involved. There will definitely be some clear-out dumps to the backs.. and they will probably work well. I'd say that Alex definitely improved in getting away from so many dump-offs though.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:56 AM   #896
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Yup, which is why we have to hope Alex's balls finally drop this year.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:58 AM   #897
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some may have it implanted in their heads that Alex will fail if asked to throw the ball more. I really don't think this will be a problem. As long as the threat of the run stays reasonably strong (for PA too), more attempts shouldn't be some horrible detriment to success.

*not forcing this opinion on others... just stating my opinion on it.
That's nice that you feel that way, but history says differently. I'm believer the best way to predict the future is to examine the past. There is a strong correlation between Alice's pass attempts and QB rating. That's just a fact. Obviously stats in a vacuum don't tell the entire story, but that's 4 years worth of trending data. Not a small sample size.

So you can see the frustration of giving up basically a 1st round pick for a guy that only is successful when asked to do less?
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Ideally, we win 7, keep the pick, and avoid "Johnny ****ball" and Bridgewater like the plauge while hearing that Bray is developing in to a monster. That...is a good year.
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Why is this a good outcome?

So typical of Chiefs fan think.

I hope we win 7 and avoid drafting (Insert QB name)- even though there's a year before the next draft, and we have no idea what his stock will do in that year - because drafting a QB is too big a risk and we have an undrafted FA QB to pin our hopes on!
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Here is why I think this fails. Here are Smiths attempts and QB rating for the last 4 years.

09 33.8 att/game 81.5 QB Rating
10 31.09 att/game 82.4 QB Rating
11 27.8 att/game 90.7 QB Rating
12 21.8 att/game 104.1 QB rating


The 2012 Eagles averaged 38.6 att/game.

So as you can see what the "QB Whisperer" Jim Harbaugh did took the ball out of Smith's hands more. Boom. All of a sudden he is "better".
It's not that Harbaugh took the ball out of Smith's hands. Until Harbaugh got there, they were constantly playing from behind which means throwing the ball more to catch up.

Harbaugh (and his coaching staff) made the difference in Smith and the SF team. Reid and his staff will do the same for the Chiefs. How can a team only win 2 games when they have six probowl players? Because the coaching staff was incompetent.
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It's not that Harbaugh took the ball out of Smith's hands. Until Harbaugh got there, they were constantly playing from behind which means throwing the ball more to catch up.

Harbaugh (and his coaching staff) made the difference in Smith and the SF team. Reid and his staff will do the same for the Chiefs. How can a team only win 2 games when they have six probowl players? Because the coaching staff was incompetent.
Yes. I said that basically Harbaugh went to MartyBall. The same style the enabled Steve Bono to have a 13-3 record and make a probowl.

I have a hard time seeing Reid making the transition to MartyBall though.
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