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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-06-2013, 09:59 AM   #106
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A second rnd pick??

you mean we might have given up JAVIER ARENAS??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
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Old 05-06-2013, 09:59 AM   #107
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Could have signed Kevin ****ing Kolb and gotten this team to 8-8 and not have to give up two second round picks. Oh well Alex Smith will end up costing Dorsey and Reid their jobs.
Ha ha sure, 8 years from now.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:00 AM   #108
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:00 AM   #109
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Is it 8-8 even if Smith is hurt for several of those games? I'm sure he won't play all 16 games. Never does.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #110
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:02 AM   #111
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Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith.
Possibly. But I think it's equally plausible to think that the Chiefs were bidding against themselves.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:03 AM   #112
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NO they didn't and worse is if we have to give up next years second round pick when 2014 is suppose to have a better QB draft class. This is the problem now. This is what makes this trade so bad. **** Alex Smith he was not worth the risk of 2 twos and give up a chance at future QB prospects of the draft. No matter how much anyone wants to spin it they didn't have to take that deal.
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we avoided risk and went 8-8

what the **** else do you want?
So if you are Dorsey/Reid what is your plan you present to Clark KNOWING you already have Cassel, NO legit Luck with the 1st pick, YOU are the new regime that has to win now and it's a QB driven league and only one decent FA QB on the market(with many other suitors as well)and your potential new trading partner knows the predicament you are in ?

Clark: "Fellas, I have a pissed off fan base and losing $$ and I need to win now and do not feel comfortable about this upcoming QB draft class using it with our No.1 pick.

TC/KC: "Clark, with all due respect it is Geno or BUST !!!

Clark: "I can't afford another high risk BUST and neither can this fan base. I realize we need a QB and the fan base wants a QB with the first pick of this draft but that is out of the question if there is no sure fire "Luck" in this draft. And I can't afford to tank this season for a better QB class next year. That's just stupid. What other options do we have?

TC/KC: "There are no other options Clark, Geno or BUST !!

Clark: I hired you guys for 'no other options' ?

TC/KC: Unless you want to sacrifice high future draft picks for AS that has only had 1 and 1/2 yrs of prod QBing out of his 7yr career ?

Clark: "Well, I guess this is the price I have to pay for no leverage because I have to win now because no way in hell I go the QB draft class for this year and stuck with the Jags/Jets type problem in 2 years STILL LOSING AND STILL HAVING TO PAY A KINGS RANSOM !!
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:05 AM   #113
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:05 AM   #114
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Something is missing here. So what if Alex Smith is injured and we go 8-8 with Daniels? Do we still owe a 2nd? Alex Smith staying healthy is a bigger issue I would think when it comes to a conditional pick. So this report seems kind of off.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:05 AM   #115
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You obviously feel that there is no difference between 2-14 and 8-8, and I can certainly understand that viewpoint. Neither one gets you into the playoffs, certainly not with any hope of a deep playoff run. If the ultimate goal of Reid and Dorsey is to simply go 8-8 every year and put as many butts in the seats as possible, then I'm right there with you.

But I think Reid and Dorsey are looking at this in two phases. The first phase is to simply lift the team up to respectability as quickly as possible. Let's face it: Scott ***** destroyed everything and alienated most of the fans. You may not think it's a significant improvement if this team goes 8-8 next year, but I respectfully disagree. The 2-14 debacle of last year was horrific. 8-8 next season is realistically achievable and would stop the hemorrhaging that turned this team into the laughingstock of the NFL. Obviously I would rather see the Chiefs improve from 2-14 to 14-2 next season, but that's just unrealistic. And based upon the apparent lack of real talent in this rookie class, the Chiefs sure as hell wouldn't go 14-2 next year witih a rookie quarterback as the starter.

The second phase will be to build a team for the future, which will include drafting a QBOTF.

Did they overpay for Alex Smith? Yes, obviously. But it sounds like the 49ers took advantage of a seller's market, and it's not really a reach to assume that the teams that wound up picking up the other retread quarterbacks were bidding against the Chiefs for Alex Smith. It was a really bad time to be in the market for a quarterback. Drue Brees wasn't sitting out there as a free agent. Andrew Luck wasn't sitting there waiting to be drafted. Reid and Dorsey made their decision and went with it.

I'm willing to give Reid and Dorsey the benefit of the doubt for now. I hope that the majority of the decisions they make turn out to be good ones, even if I don't necessarily love this one. Time will tell. It's going to take a hell of lot more time than a couple of months in their first offseason to evaluate whether they're total morons, competent, or total ****ing football geniuses. If they go 8-8 and 10-6 in their first two seasons AND they have a promising young quarterback on their roster, I would call that a damn good start.

I know, everything would be rainbows and unicorns if they had drafted Geno Smith and Smith turned out to be the next Aaron Rodgers. But Reid and Dorsey obviously didn't think that highly of Geno or any other quarterback in this draft. The fact that every other GM in the NFL agreed with them gives credibility to their decision making process.

It's fine to make risky draft choices. But if you draft someone just because you wish and hope they'll be great when every evaluation you do tells you otherwise, that's not a risky draft choice. It's a stupid one.

In other words, cool your jets. There will be plenty of time for wailing and gnashing of teeth if Reid and Dorsy fail. In the meantime, all you're doing is driving up each other's blood pressure and you're not accomplishing anything.

Geno is already getting off to a great start !!!
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:07 AM   #116
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The Chiefs should enlist the help of GMDM.
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:10 AM   #117
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Possibly. But I think it's equally plausible to think that the Chiefs were bidding against themselves.
No way, all the teams that made a FA move for a QB after we signed AS and the Bills were in the running, I assure you. Everyone wanted AS !!
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:11 AM   #118
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Which GMDM do you want? The one who was universally reviled and ridiculed for the awful trades he made his first few years here, or the one who built the best farm system in baseball and turned the team into one of the better young teams in baseball?

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Old 05-06-2013, 10:12 AM   #119
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I laugh because I know without a doubt it's coming. I all but guarantee all of the next two to three round one picks will be used to replace Pioli's "value fest".
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Old 05-06-2013, 10:16 AM   #120
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A second rnd pick??

you mean we might have given up JAVIER ARENAS??!?!?!!?!?!?!?!
If John Dorsey were worth a squirrel fart, he'd be drafting great players with those 2nd rounders just like the Ravens, Packers, Seahawks, 49ers, and every other team with a great GM does.

You've never known a franchise to do anything else but piss away a 2nd round pick on Javier Arenas, so that's what the pick means to you.

In the meantime, we passed up an opportunity to draft some pretty damn good ****ing players with this year's 2nd rounder. I can't wait until next year to find out what kind of stellar athletes won't be on our team all because of Alex ****ing Smith.
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