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Old 05-06-2013, 08:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-09-2013, 10:28 PM   #1201
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I think this offense with Alex Smith is going to look more like the Jon Gruden/Brad Johnson version of the west coast than the offenses that we are accustomed to seeing in Philly under Reid.

Reid is going to ask Smith to pass more than he has in his revious season and a half, but he's going to try to utilize his efficiency in the short passing game.
I agree with this.

I think that's exactly why he drafted Kelce and Davis. Their extremely athletic athletes for their positions who can get a lot of YAC.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:32 PM   #1202
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Except Reid is the one who hired Dorsey you moron.
The point is, if Dorsey shows upside in his picks and overall management while Reid continues trending downward...well, you do the math.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:32 PM   #1203
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I think this offense with Alex Smith is going to look more like the Jon Gruden/Brad Johnson version of the west coast than the offenses that we are accustomed to seeing in Philly under Reid.

Reid is going to ask Smith to pass more than he has in his revious season and a half, but he's going to try to utilize his efficiency in the short passing game.
Alex Smith and Andy Reid offense best bet is to have quick short slant routes and just for Alex Smith to get rid of the ball quick. Nothing cute that Alex stands behind the los and plays develop that he has to look at all the reads. He will get smashed if he holds the ball too much. He is a defenses best friend if a team likes to sack quarterbacks.

Nope best bet for Andy Reid offense is to hand the ball off too Jamaal Charles.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:37 PM   #1204
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I tried to tell everyone that Vermeil wasn't going to be able to achieve the same success in KC that he did in Stl.

I hated the hire, but no one listens to me.

I have the same feeling about this regime.

Just remember, in 5 years when the Chiefs are looking for a new coach, and still looking for playoff success that I told you it wouldn't work before Reid was hired.
I gave the hire a 50/50 chance for success based soley on change of venue. Sometimes starting over helps. But the direction he's chosen to go in with team building drops that ratio by at least 15 percent in my estimation. And I gurantee that second round pick is coin in the bank.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:39 PM   #1205
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Alex Smith and Andy Reid offense best bet is to have quick short slant routes and just for Alex Smith to get rid of the ball quick. Nothing cute that Alex stands behind the los and plays develop that he has to look at all the reads. He will get smashed if he holds the ball too much. He is a defenses best friend if a team likes to sack quarterbacks.

Nope best bet for Andy Reid offense is to hand the ball off too Jamaal Charles.
So......."Casseling" then? Got it.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:49 PM   #1206
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I tried to tell everyone that Vermeil wasn't going to be able to achieve the same success in KC that he did in Stl.

I hated the hire, but no one listens to me.

I have the same feeling about this regime.

Just remember, in 5 years when the Chiefs are looking for a new coach, and still looking for playoff success that I told you it wouldn't work before Reid was hired.
What do you consider "playoff success" for the purpose of this prediction?
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:31 AM   #1207
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Well, to be fair he would have been the first coach to achieve the same success with a different team than he did in St. Louis. He put together 2/3 of a great team, but couldn't put it all together

Same with Reid. Since the aveage tenure with a team is about 3 years the odds are in your favor once again. I was all for the hirings, but I'm souring a bit after the Smith trade and draft.
Which was worse, the trade or the draft?
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:47 AM   #1208
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What do you consider "playoff success" for the purpose of this prediction?
how about one or two home wins, that aren't in wildcard weekend? (in 5 years)
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:55 AM   #1209
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how about one or two home wins, that aren't in wildcard weekend? (in 5 years)
I'd like to see that. Is that what Milkman means?
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:09 AM   #1210
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I'd like to see that. Is that what Milkman means?
no idea, but that is my minimum definition for success at this point

a couple of second round playoff wins (or more) in the next 5 years

I think Alex Smith was the wrong direction for this, but we aren't tied down to him YET
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:21 AM   #1211
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no idea, but that is my minimum definition for success at this point

a couple of second round playoff wins (or more) in the next 5 years

I think Alex Smith was the wrong direction for this, but we aren't tied down to him YET
Its not a bad direction, if he is used properly. If he is, it will be disasterous.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:29 AM   #1212
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Its not a bad direction, if he is used properly. If he is, it will be disasterous.
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i just have no faith in Alex, but I hope I'm wrong....

Its going to be gut wrenching waiting till August

The shittiest thing will be if the rest of our team plays well enough to prop him up, (a la 2010) and we make some sort of long term deal based on an illusion....

Anyhoo,

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Old 05-10-2013, 04:08 AM   #1213
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I think Alex Smith was the wrong direction for this, but we aren't tied down to him YET
See this is what gives me hope about a future QB. I still feel like there was not a QB in the draft that was seen as anything more than a future backup. That being the reason they picked up Alex. But the door is still open to drafting a true QBotF.
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We might as well plan on sending the second rounder. Alex is going to Dominate this year as the Chiefs go 12-4 for the division title.

This trade is a steal for us. Only giving a couple of 2nd rounders for this guy was a joke-We get a #1 franchise quarterback that will lead us to Multiple Superbowl wins.

Best trade Chiefs ever made.

All the Naysayers and Alex haters will be looking pretty silly this time next year.
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