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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-10-2013, 06:14 AM   #1216
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At least we have a coaching staff that knows what the **** they're doing. It's been 7 years since we could say that.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:25 AM   #1217
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At least we have a coaching staff that knows what the **** they're doing. It's been 7 years since we could say that.
What was the dream teams record last year again?
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:34 AM   #1218
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Which was worse, the trade or the draft?
The trade by far.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:36 AM   #1219
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See this is what gives me hope about a future QB. I still feel like there was not a QB in the draft that was seen as anything more than a future backup. That being the reason they picked up Alex. But the door is still open to drafting a true QBotF.
A 1st round pick seems like a steep price for a 2 year rental of Alex Smith.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:39 AM   #1220
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At least we have a coaching staff that knows what the **** they're doing. It's been 7 years since we could say that.
Todd Haley made chicken salad of the chicken shit he was given to work with. If he was given more control over personnel. especially at the QB position. I think things would have worked out differently.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:45 AM   #1221
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A 1st round pick seems like a steep price for a 2 year rental of Alex Smith.
You can try and twist it all you want it is a 2cd and probably a 3rd.
Evidently MOST NFL teams preferred any QB to the ones in this draft so there wasn't much of a choice there. This is the QB they wanted to go with in the interim. Get over it.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:45 AM   #1222
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Todd Haley made chicken salad of the chicken shit he was given to work with. If he was given more control over personnel. especially at the QB position. I think things would have worked out differently.
This I totally agree with. Pioli was the biggest problem.
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:53 AM   #1223
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You can try and twist it all you want it is a 2cd and probably a 3rd.
Evidently MOST NFL teams preferred any QB to the ones in this draft so there wasn't much of a choice there. This is the QB they wanted to go with in the interim. Get over it.
No, it's not twisting. Our 2nd this year and either 2nd or 3rd next year is the equivalent of a late 1st round pick.

That's fine, but that's still over paying if you are thinking it's two year rental in this situation. If Alex Smith puts you over the top the way the Chiefs were hoping Joe Montana did then you give the 1st for a 2 year rental. I don't think you give a 1st for a 2 year rental on a mediocre QB to avoid complete suckage. Either they severly over paid or they think he is the long term answer.
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:44 AM   #1224
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:46 AM   #1225
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If Reid finds/drafts a guy that will be the franchise QB for the next decade then I will call that a success regardless if he make an AFC title game or not.
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Old 05-10-2013, 07:56 AM   #1226
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I tried to tell everyone that Vermeil wasn't going to be able to achieve the same success in KC that he did in Stl.

I hated the hire, but no one listens to me.

I have the same feeling about this regime.

Just remember, in 5 years when the Chiefs are looking for a new coach, and still looking for playoff success that I told you it wouldn't work before Reid was hired.
I give Reid 25% chance for success and that is going to depend on the QB so it isn't looking good IMO.
But I wasn't here for the DV hire and was guzzling the Kool-Aid by the gallon at that time.

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Which was worse, the trade or the draft?
The Trade ****ed everything up and made the draft suck. So the trade is going to set this team back 5 to 10 years imo.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:01 AM   #1227
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I give Reid 25% chance for success and that is going to depend on the QB so it isn't looking good IMO.
But I wasn't here for the DV hire and was guzzling the Kool-Aid by the gallon at that time.


The Trade ****ed everything up and made the draft suck. So the trade is going to set this team back 5 to 10 years imo.
As much as I hate the trade I don't believe you ever more than 2 years away from turning around an NFL franchise.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:08 AM   #1228
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Either they severly over paid or they think he is the long term answer.
Why in the world does anything think Reid views Smith as a short term solution? Smith is the long term plan.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:15 AM   #1229
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Why in the world does anything think Reid views Smith as a short term solution? Smith is the long term plan.
I think the lack of an extension is what we cling to. I also think we also suffer from Casselsyndrome = The denial that your team will have shitty QB for the next half decade. I do feel if he does go full Cassell as I expect this regime will actually make a move unlike Pissholi.

Them passing on a QB with that 3rd round comp pick is a little concerning though. It's almost a vote of confidence for Alice having his only competition be 2 UDFA and a 5th round pick that have never taken an NFL snap.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:20 AM   #1230
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Which was worse, the trade or the draft?
The trade, mostly because it ties us to a mediocre QB for 2-5 years and limits our ability and options to get our own home grown version here in KC. If we had our 2nd round pick left and grabbed Geno I'd feel much rosier about the future than with Smiff.
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