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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-10-2013, 08:21 AM   #1231
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I give Reid 25% chance for success and that is going to depend on the QB so it isn't looking good IMO.
But I wasn't here for the DV hire and was guzzling the Kool-Aid by the gallon at that time.


The Trade ****ed everything up and made the draft suck. So the trade is going to set this team back 5 to 10 years imo.
Damned good post my friend, rep for you.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:24 AM   #1232
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I tried to tell everyone that Vermeil wasn't going to be able to achieve the same success in KC that he did in Stl.

I hated the hire, but no one listens to me.

I have the same feeling about this regime.

Just remember, in 5 years when the Chiefs are looking for a new coach, and still looking for playoff success that I told you it wouldn't work before Reid was hired.
I don't disagree but compared to Gunther DV was like a breath of fresh air. I thought it was a good move at the time and hoped for the best. I loved the offense it we could have managed to draft 2-3 playmakers on defense we could been in a couple of SBs
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:24 AM   #1233
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A 1st round pick seems like a steep price for a 2 year rental of Alex Smith.
Why do you call it a 2 year rental? I think the chances of Alex Smith being gone after two years is pretty low.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:27 AM   #1234
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Why do you call it a 2 year rental? I think the chances of Alex Smith being gone after two years is pretty low.
I agree with you and that was my point. You don't pay a 1st for a guy that you expect to be a 2 year rental unless it's a guy that can put you over the top like Montana was.

He is going to have to play his way out of KC and I think he probably will thankfully.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:28 AM   #1235
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Why do you call it a 2 year rental? I think the chances of Alex Smith being gone after two years is pretty low.
If Alex Smith is still here after two years and starting as QB, it means either:

1) He has become a different QB (e.g. his brain is put inside a cyborg, he sells his soul to the Devil to become an elite QB, takes a blow to the head which unlocks skills never seen in him before, he takes performance enhancing drugs and gets away with it)

2) we are in BIG trouble
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:29 AM   #1236
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I think the lack of an extension is what we cling to. I also think we also suffer from Casselsyndrome = The denial that your team will have shitty QB for the next half decade. I do feel if he does go full Cassell as I expect this regime will actually make a move unlike Pissholi.

Them passing on a QB with that 3rd round comp pick is a little concerning though. It's almost a vote of confidence for Alice having his only competition be 2 UDFA and a 5th round pick that have never taken an NFL snap.
The only reason to jump the gun on an extension is if the front office thinks that Alex Smith will be so outstanding in 2013 that his pricetag will skyrocket. Otherwise, it makes sense to just wait until next off-season to work out an extension, which is what I would guess they have in mind.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:31 AM   #1237
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If Alex Smith is still here after two years and starting as QB, it means either:

1) He has become a different QB (e.g. his brain is put inside a cyborg, he sells his soul to the Devil to become an elite QB, takes a blow to the head which unlocks skills never seen in him before, he takes performance enhancing drugs and gets away with it)

2) we are in BIG trouble
There's a 3rd option. It could also mean that his detractors have been wrong about him just like most of them were wrong about Geno Smith's draft prospects.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:32 AM   #1238
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The only reason to jump the gun on an extension is if the front office thinks that Alex Smith will be so outstanding in 2013 that his pricetag will skyrocket. Otherwise, it makes sense to just wait until next off-season to work out an extension, which is what I would guess they have in mind.
We agree on this one. I'm just saying that's why some people are still holding out hope he is viewed as a stop gap. The same way people kept clinging to the hope that Pioli would draft a QB early in the draft while Cassell was here.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:32 AM   #1239
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Why in the world does anything think Reid views Smith as a short term solution? Smith is the long term plan.
Sadly, I think you are right.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:33 AM   #1240
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We agree on this one. I'm just saying that's why some people are still holding out hope he is viewed as a stop gap. The same way people kept clinging to the hope that ***** would draft a QB early in the draft while Cassell was here.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:35 AM   #1241
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There's a 3rd option. It could also mean that his detractors have been wrong about him just like most of them were wrong about Geno Smith's draft prospects.
They are not and will not consider that an option.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:39 AM   #1242
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There's a 3rd option. It could also mean that his detractors have been wrong about him just like most of them were wrong about Geno Smith's draft prospects.
That is possible; though even his supporters seem to acknowledge him as little more than a good game manager that has improved on his QB rating each of the last few years. That is hardly a ringing endorsement of a long-term solution. His supporters acknowledge that he's not the guy to lead you to a fourth quarter comeback when down by two touchdowns. His record shows he is 2-27 when the opposing team scores 20+ points (which happens regularly in today's NFL).

As much as I want him to become a great QB, I don't see how that happens (absent major body transplants). So, it is hard to be optimistic. This is doubly so because I fear Reid is in love with him and won't get rid of him until he is fired or a Tom Brady drops into his lap in a future draft,
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His last 2 years in SF he was probably in the 11-20 range in regards to NFL qb's. Next year he really needs to either be a top 1/3 or bottom 1/3 QB or this franchise will spin it's wheels is mediocrity. My worst nightmare if that he is just servicable next year. I'd much rather him bomb out so we can move on then move forward with a middle of the pack guy. If he is servicable I'm afraid that will get him an extension and the TF's will embrace him fully.
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His last 2 years in SF he was probably in the 11-20 range in regards to NFL qb's. Next year he really needs to either be a top 1/3 or bottom 1/3 QB or this franchise will spin it's wheels is mediocrity. My worst nightmate if that he is just servicable next year. I'd much rather him bomb out so we can move on then move forward with a middle of the pack guy.
It's hard to be serviceable when Alex can't stay on the field after a big hit.
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It's hard to be serviceable when Alex can't stay on the field after a big hit.
If that happens hopefull that figures into the equation on an extension.
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