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Old 05-06-2013, 07:21 AM  
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If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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Old 05-10-2013, 09:01 AM   #1246
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This all comes down to will a rookie become better than between 10th and 20th best in the league. I don't think so. Alex Smith, I believe, is the best QB on a new team, rookie or vet.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:05 AM   #1247
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This all comes down to will a rookie become better than between 10th and 20th best in the league. I don't think so. Alex Smith, I believe, is the best QB on a new team, rookie or vet.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:08 AM   #1248
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This all comes down to will a rookie become better than between 10th and 20th best in the league. I don't think so. Alex Smith, I believe, is the best QB on a new team, rookie or vet.
I guess this is where we differ. I'd rather take a chance on a guy that has some upside and can be a top 10 QB down the road even though it might not be next year. I think right now if Alex is a middle of the pack guy he gets extended and we won't even attempt to get a QB in the 1st round for at least 2 years.

He has shown he can be a bottom 1/3 QB, but he's never shown he can be that top 10 franchise QB at even a Trent Green level so at 29 I'm not expecting him to all of a sudden turn into something else.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:10 AM   #1249
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The trade, mostly because it ties us to a mediocre QB for 2-5 years and limits our ability and options to get our own home grown version here in KC. If we had our 2nd round pick left and grabbed Geno I'd feel much rosier about the future than with Smiff.
I still don't understand the whole "homegrown" thing. It makes absolutely no difference if you win with a homegrown QB or you win with one you get from someone else. The only thing that matters is if you win. Is it an ego thing?
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I still don't understand the whole "homegrown" thing. It makes absolutely no difference if you win with a homegrown QB or you win with one you get from someone else. The only thing that matters is if you win. Is it an ego thing?
It just an odds thing. Nobody is opposed to signing Brees or Warner as a FA. You're odds are just better for long term success to get your guy in the draft.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:14 AM   #1252
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I guess this is where we differ. I'd rather take a chance on a guy that has some upside and can be a top 10 QB down the road even though it might not be next year. I think right now if Alex is a middle of the pack guy he gets extended and we won't even attempt to get a QB in the 1st round for at least 2 years.
I don't know, but I'm guessing Smith won't be getting an extension before this season. I could be wrong, and I'd disappointed if they did, but it seems there's no big reason to do it two years out. If Smith plays himself into a mega deal, I'd think they'd gladly pay it, but Reid has always seemed to me to be a coach that even with a good QB likes to keep looking.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:19 AM   #1253
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It just an odds thing. Nobody is opposed to signing Brees or Warner as a FA. You're odds are just better for long term success to get your guy in the draft.
I think it's a misreading of odds thing. It's a "what should I do if I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to assess QB skills" thing. If you have confidence in your ability to recognize talent, you take your QB from wherever you find him. You may end up finding him more often in the draft than available through trade or in free agency, but to make a decision based on where you find a QB instead of which QB has the talent is backward.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:21 AM   #1254
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It just an odds thing. Nobody is opposed to signing Brees or Warner as a FA. You're odds are just better for long term success to get your guy in the draft.
I don't think that is it. Winning is all that matters to me. Where the QB comes from does not matter. Len Dawson was not a homegrown QB. He was an NFL failure that moved to the AFL in Dallas, and made it to KC from there.

I think the "homegrown" thing is a hometown pride thing. But I left my hometown of KC 29 years ago, so I feel no need to have pride in KC. I'm loyal to the team, not the city. I want to win, I don't need to win with a homegrown QB.
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I don't know, but I'm guessing Smith won't be getting an extension before this season. I could be wrong, and I'd disappointed if they did, but it seems there's no big reason to do it two years out. If Smith plays himself into a mega deal, I'd think they'd gladly pay it, but Reid has always seemed to me to be a coach that even with a good QB likes to keep looking.
I think they wait as well, but if he has a cute little safe season like in 2011 I'm worried he may get extended after the year.
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I think it's a misreading of odds thing. It's a "what should I do if I have absolutely no confidence in my ability to assess QB skills" thing. If you have confidence in your ability to recognize talent, you take your QB from wherever you find him. You may end up finding him more often in the draft than available through trade or in free agency, but to make a decision based on where you find a QB instead of which QB has the talent is backward.
I understand your point, but the current model for winning a superbowl is to get your guy in the draft and build around him. Yes there are exceptions so if you can find a Brees or Petyon on the FA market great. Nobody would complain about Brees or Manning being here at this point.
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I guess this is where we differ. I'd rather take a chance on a guy that has some upside and can be a top 10 QB down the road even though it might not be next year. I think right now if Alex is a middle of the pack guy he gets extended and we won't even attempt to get a QB in the 1st round for at least 2 years.

He has shown he can be a bottom 1/3 QB, but he's never shown he can be that top 10 franchise QB at even a Trent Green level so at 29 I'm not expecting him to all of a sudden turn into something else.
Who would that have been exactly?
Geno?
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I think they wait as well, but if he has a cute little safe season like in 2011 I'm worried he may get extended after the year.
If he has a cute little safe season and the Chiefs win, I'd think he'd get one. If he goes 3000 yds, 17 TDs and 6 INTs, and the Chiefs go 6-10 or 7-9, I don't think he's getting that extension.
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Who would that have been exactly?
Geno?
I don't know what BigCatDaddy's answer is, but for many of these guys, it doesn't matter who it is as long as he's taken in the first round. It could have been Tyler Bray if he had been taken with the right pick, but alas, we got him for free so now he's an incredible long shot.
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I don't know what BigCatDaddy's answer is, but for many of these guys, it doesn't matter who it is as long as he's taken in the first round. It could have been Tyler Bray if he had been taken with the right pick, but alas, we got him for free so now he's an incredible long shot.
Wouldnt be Geno then because if this draft would have had some actual 1st round QBs he may not have gone till the third.
So again BigColt45 who would be your QB this season?
Im totally cool with grabbing Bray and hopefully a true QBotf asap.
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