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Old 05-06-2013, 08:46 PM  
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:01 AM   #31
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Does anyone think that government will decrease overall sales tax due to more revenue from internet sales tax?
Well, of course not. But they way they see it is that they are losing a ton of sales tax revenue that they used to receive when people had to actually go to Target or Best Buy to buy stuff. But as more of that stuff is bought online, no sales tax is collected and the state "loses" that revenue.

This is really largely motivated by Amazon since they do huge online business and only have a physical presence in a handful of states.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:03 AM   #32
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Hey Cosmo, think they'll institute a tax on Solyndra?
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:20 AM   #33
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Hey Cosmo, think they'll institute a tax on Solyndra?
I know what Solyndra is, and I guess that is a crack of some sort, but I have no idea how that is relevant or makes any sense.

I'm sure you already realize this , but this the federal govt is not taking anyone's money here. It would completely be the state's option whether to seek the sales tax. As I said before, I personally would prefer not being charged sales tax if I buy something online and the store doesn't have a physical presence in my state. I just don't think it is unreasonable for sales tax to apply.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:25 AM   #34
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Does anyone think that government will decrease overall sales tax due to more revenue from internet sales tax?
Not I.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:30 AM   #35
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:45 AM   #36
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:06 AM   #37
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I thought this happened already? Is it just now getting into place?
It has happened some, but it was individual states suing companies like Amazon for tax revenue they felt was owed... which is why the big players like Amazon are all for this since they have made deals already.

I can see how this has justification but there is a HUGE issue. There are NOT 50 or so different taxes that a business will have to track.... there are closer to 10,000 because this will include municipalities. (from what I have heard) That would kill a small business. They have somewhat addressed this by applying the law to only businesses making $10 million or more per year but that is still quite a burden.

Here is my simple solution. REQUIRE any local govt that wants its taxes to a)transmit and receive all tax data using a Federally created "tax data format" and b)require them to accept remittance electronically. This would effectively remove the burden on a small business and allow for multiple vendors like quickbooks to seemlessly handle the process cheaply. And no business can claim that software or technology is an issue since these are already ONLINE businesses.

I haven't looked at the law so this may already be covered but if it isn't then it damn well should be.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:57 AM   #38
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:30 AM   #39
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Does anyone think that government will decrease overall sales tax due to more revenue from internet sales tax?
I don't think they would or should. If I bought a TV 10 years ago at Best Buy I paid sales tax. If I bought one last year through Amazon I didn't. They are simply recouping money they've been losing.

I might be pulling a Clemens and misremembering but didn't the government decide not to implement a tax in the late 90's or early 00's because they didn't want to stifle the growth of the internet. A lot of people back then were still scared to do something like giving your credit card out to the internet or banking info. They probably should have passed this law years ago.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:34 AM   #40
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I know what Solyndra is, and I guess that is a crack of some sort, but I have no idea how that is relevant or makes any sense.

I'm sure you already realize this , but this the federal govt is not taking anyone's money here. It would completely be the state's option whether to seek the sales tax. As I said before, I personally would prefer not being charged sales tax if I buy something online and the store doesn't have a physical presence in my state. I just don't think it is unreasonable for sales tax to apply.
You sure seemed to be concerned with "leveling the field" and so I wanted to know if you felt like Obama's nutty energy subsidies should be considered part of that or not? I mean those firms were not only tax exempt but they got HANDOUTS as well! How come Notorious' firm didn't get handouts? Don't you believe in parity?
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:09 AM   #41
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You sure seemed to be concerned with "leveling the field" and so I wanted to know if you felt like Obama's nutty energy subsidies should be considered part of that or not? I mean those firms were not only tax exempt but they got HANDOUTS as well! How come Notorious' firm didn't get handouts? Don't you believe in parity?
I mentioned 'leveling the field' in regards to online sales tax because that how many retailers see it. Solyndra has nothing to do with this, "handouts" have nothing to do with this.

I assume Notorious didn't get a "handout" because his company was not working on development of alternative energy sources. If you want to complain about Solyndra, you should probably start a new thread for that, or add to the one that is probably already out there.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:14 AM   #42
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:28 AM   #43
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I mentioned 'leveling the field' in regards to online sales tax because that how many retailers see it. Solyndra has nothing to do with this, "handouts" have nothing to do with this.

I assume Notorious didn't get a "handout" because his company was not working on development of alternative energy sources. If you want to complain about Solyndra, you should probably start a new thread for that, or add to the one that is probably already out there.

So basically you advocate a "level playing field" for Amazon and Barnes & Noble to compete with each other. But you don't really go for it when it doesn't fit your ideology. Worse you actually are ok with $500m taxpayer HANDOUTS on top of it all. Nice level playing field!



I guess your liberal views don't require consistency so I'm not surprised.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:30 AM   #44
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Why should an internet store have to keep track of the buyers location and pay the sales tax where they live? When I buy something from a brick and mortar store in MO it doesn't have to pay sales taxes in KS. If it was about fair, make the internet site pay the local sales tax of where the store it is located, or your state if they have a presence in that state.
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This flies directly in the face of a lot of SCOTUS precedent. Those cases weren't decided in the internet age, but they're still relevant to the fact pattern here. Do lawmakers even think of this stuff prior to shitting these bills out?
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