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Old 05-06-2013, 07:46 PM  
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Senate Votes To Destroy Small Business

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Old 05-07-2013, 08:49 AM   #46
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Why would anyone be surprised? Weren't they listening when the commie pig from chicongo told everybody he planned to fundamentally change America?

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:17 AM   #47
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Why would anyone be surprised? Weren't they listening when the commie pig from chicongo told everybody he planned to fundamentally change America?

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Old 05-07-2013, 10:23 AM   #48
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So basically you advocate a "level playing field" for Amazon and Barnes & Noble to compete with each other. But you don't really go for it when it doesn't fit your ideology. Worse you actually are ok with $500m taxpayer HANDOUTS on top of it all. Nice level playing field!

I guess your liberal views don't require consistency so I'm not surprised.
I'm not really advocating anything. Once again, "level playing field" is how the non-Amazons describe it. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem outrageous that if someone has to pay sales tax when they buy a book from Barnes & Noble that they would also have to pay sales tax when buying it from Amazon.

I'm really not sure why you're going into BEP mode and making up things I said. I realize you are desperately trying to make Solyndra relevant here for some reason, but it isn't, and I haven't said anything about it.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:57 AM   #49
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It does sound reasonable on the surface, until you realize the importance of the nexus concept to the application of sales taxes, as well as the astronomical administration costs that will be involved with compliance. It's not as easy as flipping a switch, and all of a sudden you start collecting sales taxes.

That said, states do think they are losing out on a lot of money, so they are going to do something. If SST ever really catches on it would make this a lot less painful on e retailers.
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:43 PM   #50
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It does sound reasonable on the surface, until you realize the importance of the nexus concept to the application of sales taxes, as well as the astronomical administration costs that will be involved with compliance. It's not as easy as flipping a switch, and all of a sudden you start collecting sales taxes.

That said, states do think they are losing out on a lot of money, so they are going to do something. If SST ever really catches on it would make this a lot less painful on e retailers.
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I just read the bill and it pushes hard for SST. Most of my concerns were addressed by the bill and it doesn't look like it would be much of a burden on businesses at all. The bill requires each state to provide a single entity to handle all tax issues so the business doesn't have to keep up with individual localities. The bill also requires the states to provide software for this and allow for certified vendors.

For most businesses, it should be as easy as installing/integrating some software and then, yes, flipping a switch.

Still not sure I support the idea but at least one of my biggest concerns is off the table.
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:18 PM   #51
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This flies directly in the face of a lot of SCOTUS precedent. Those cases weren't decided in the internet age, but they're still relevant to the fact pattern here. Do lawmakers even think of this stuff prior to shitting these bills out?
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Actually this bill doesn't go against precedent. The SCOTUS has ruled that STATES have no right to enforce their tax laws on interstate commerce but that CONGRESS can. I don't see an issue in that regard.
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:40 PM   #52
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I'm not really advocating anything. Once again, "level playing field" is how the non-Amazons describe it. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem outrageous that if someone has to pay sales tax when they buy a book from Barnes & Noble that they would also have to pay sales tax when buying it from Amazon.

I'm really not sure why you're going into BEP mode and making up things I said. I realize you are desperately trying to make Solyndra relevant here for some reason, but it isn't, and I haven't said anything about it.

If that's really your belief I can buy your argument. But you did sorta let it slip that you agree with the idea and goal of alternative energy development and that sorta makes me believe you don't have all that big a problem with Solyndra's investment.


If that's true (and I'm guessing it is), you can see the problem advocating for tax fairness.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:34 PM   #53
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Measure Title: A bill to restore States' sovereign rights to enforce State and local sales and use tax laws, and for other purposes.


This is bad?
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Old 05-07-2013, 07:31 PM   #54
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Measure Title: A bill to restore States' sovereign rights to enforce State and local sales and use tax laws, and for other purposes.


This is bad?
The states should send all extra sales tax revenue to NASA.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:24 PM   #55
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This legislation will also effect digital downloads...might as well call it the Itunes Tax.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...tal-downloads/
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:51 PM   #56
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This legislation will also effect digital downloads...might as well call it the Itunes Tax.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57...tal-downloads/
OK, now I'm OFFICIALLY against this. Taxing a physical good makes a certain amount of sense but taxing INFORMATION and SERVICES is ridiculous. I can see states abusing the crap out of this.

End result = off shore company. For $2000 you can set up an LLC and bank account offshore and avoid this whole mess. That's a no brainer.

And again we see short sighted tax law pushing business overseas. Nice work.
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Old 05-07-2013, 08:57 PM   #57
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OK, now I'm OFFICIALLY against this. Taxing a physical good makes a certain amount of sense but taxing INFORMATION and SERVICES is ridiculous. I can see states abusing the crap out of this.

End result = off shore company. For $2000 you can set up an LLC and bank account offshore and avoid this whole mess. That's a no brainer.

And again we see short sighted tax law pushing business overseas. Nice work.

When my brother and I owned a bowling alley we had to charge sales tax for people to bowl.


Carpet Cleaners are not required to charge sales tax.


The tax system is nuts.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:12 PM   #58
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This isn't about leveling a playing field. It's about getting more revenue.

I say that as someone who operates a small business where the internet is killing our margins. I don't think this changes the market that much unless the tax is ridiculous.
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When my brother and I owned a bowling alley we had to charge sales tax for people to bowl.


Carpet Cleaners are not required to charge sales tax.


The tax system is nuts.
Is that because you're passing along cost of product already taxed?
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Is that because you're passing along cost of product already taxed?
No, Carpet Cleaning involves putting something into the carpet and taking it back out.


Why it's different then providing any other service is beyond my knowledge.
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