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Old 05-07-2013, 03:30 PM  
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Gun violence down 49% since 1993 peak

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/...ublic-unaware/

Yet most people think gun violence is up. I wonder where they get that impression?
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:36 PM   #2
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:39 PM   #3
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That's because we have about 1,000 times more media outlets now than we did then, and they're all competiting for advertising dollars by seeing which one can SCARE THE **** OF THE GENERAL POPULATION THE MOST.
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:46 PM   #4
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Well let's be honest it's probably this.....



And like the freaknomics guys suggested....roe V. wade in 1973....20 years after it passed violence peaked....with a correlation between being an unwanted pregnancy and later criminal behavior...
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:47 PM   #5
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Yet most people think gun violence is up. I wonder where they get that impression?
people think airline travel is unsafe why do you think that is....
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Old 05-07-2013, 03:49 PM   #6
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:06 PM   #7
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people think airline travel is unsafe why do you think that is....
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:11 PM   #8
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:13 PM   #9
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Do they?
between 12-16% of people are yet I'd bet those same people aren't afraid to drive even though they are ~300,000% more likely to die in an auto accident than a plane crash.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:44 PM   #10
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Wow, look at that huge drop during the Clinton administration. It starts right after the Brady Bill was implemented and leveled off once it was hamstrung. Whaddya know.

Okay, I hear you crying 'correlation without causation' from here, and you might be right. But I can't understand for the life of me why anti-gun control advocates would use these charts to try and argue their case.
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Old 05-07-2013, 04:47 PM   #11
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Wow, look at that huge drop during the Clinton administration. It starts right after the Brady Bill was implemented and leveled off once it was hamstrung. Whaddya know.

Okay, I hear you crying 'correlation without causation' from here, and you might be right. But I can't understand for the life of me why anti-gun control advocates would use these charts to try and argue their case.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:22 PM   #12
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In 1993?
Peak was 1993. So says the chart.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:33 PM   #13
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Wow, look at that huge drop during the Clinton administration. It starts right after the Brady Bill was implemented and leveled off once it was hamstrung. Whaddya know.

Okay, I hear you crying 'correlation without causation' from here, and you might be right. But I can't understand for the life of me why anti-gun control advocates would use these charts to try and argue their case.
'93 was the peak, the rapid drop didn't start until '95.
Gee, what else was happening at that time?



Well would you look at that huge jump in the number of "Shall Issue" states between '93 and '95.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:36 PM   #14
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Peak was 1993. So says the chart.
Yes, the steep decline started 1993. Rs didn't gain control of Congress until Jan 1995. Not that they had anything to do with it, but your dates don't correspond anyway.
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Yes, the steep decline started 1993. Rs didn't gain control of Congress until Jan 1995. Not that they had anything to do with it, but your dates don't correspond anyway.
No it didn't.
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