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Old 05-08-2013, 09:17 AM  
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Will Sen. Ted Cruz ignite the next "birther" controversy?

I like a lot of what Sen Cruz says and wondered about a potential run for President so last night I looked up his bio on Wiki. Immediately I noticed a big problem: Sen Cruz wasn't born in America. For anyone who who has read the Constitution, you know what that means for Ted's chances. However the WaPo answers the question in greater detail here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html



Now, suppose he is deemed eligible. Will the Left savage Cruz and claim he's inelibigle based on a "birther" controversy? They said anyone who did the same to Obama was a crazed paranoid nutball but this was AFTER they spent early 2008 questioning and disputing John McCain's eligibility (he was born in Panama). Will they make up their minds on this topic?



MSNBC (D-Network) panel recently discussed Cruz' eligibility here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOrQDiMDg4E
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:30 AM   #2
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IMO, he is not a natural born citizen. He was born in Canada, which isn't an immediate problem. The problem is that only his mother was a US citizen. His father wasn't.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:42 AM   #3
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IMO, he is not a natural born citizen. He was born in Canada, which isn't an immediate problem. The problem is that only his mother was a US citizen. His father wasn't.
I think that might be backwards. Even 1 parent gets you citizenship rights, but the location of delivery is the "natural born" problem here.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:47 AM   #4
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:50 AM   #5
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I think that might be backwards. Even 1 parent gets you citizenship rights, but the location of delivery is the "natural born" problem here.
I'm going from memory here, but no, I don't believe I have it backwards. You are a natural born citizen if:

You are born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship of the parents.

You are not born on US soil of TWO US citizen parents.

Anything other than those two, and things get hazy.

There was a great write-up on States' website about this.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #6
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I like a lot of what Sen Cruz says and wondered about a potential run for President so last night I looked up his bio on Wiki. Immediately I noticed a big problem: Sen Cruz wasn't born in America. For anyone who who has read the Constitution, you know what that means for Ted's chances. However the WaPo answers the question in greater detail here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html



Now, suppose he is deemed eligible. Will the Left savage Cruz and claim he's inelibigle based on a "birther" controversy? They said anyone who did the same to Obama was a crazed paranoid nutball but this was AFTER they spent early 2008 questioning and disputing John McCain's eligibility (he was born in Panama). Will they make up their minds on this topic?



MSNBC (D-Network) panel recently discussed Cruz' eligibility here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOrQDiMDg4E
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:57 AM   #7
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Isn't turnabout fair play? I know you probably think repubs are somehow above it all, but I assure you they are not.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:00 AM   #8
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Isn't turnabout fair play? I know you probably think repubs are somehow above it all, but I assure you they are not.
Absolutely fair, yes.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:02 AM   #9
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Of course it's fair. It's hypocritical though.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:04 AM   #10
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Of course it's fair. It's hypocritical though.
Why is it hypocritical?
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:13 AM   #11
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Because they threw endless tantrums about the "nuts" on the Right even thought they did it to McCain. And would do it to Cruz too.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:15 AM   #12
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Because they threw endless tantrums about the "nuts" on the Right even thought they did it to McCain. And would do it to Cruz too.
I really don't see them as being comparable. There really wasn't any evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii, which immediately makes him a natural born citizen. No one is denying that Cruz was born in Canada AND that his father was not a US citizen.
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You can't really compare Obama to McCain and Cruz, since Obama was clearly, obviously, born in Hawaii.
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You can't really compare Obama to McCain and Cruz, since Obama was clearly, obviously, born in Hawaii.
Here come the justifications. Just like I predicted.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:24 AM   #15
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I'm going from memory here, but no, I don't believe I have it backwards. You are a natural born citizen if:

You are born on US soil, regardless of the citizenship of the parents.

You are not born on US soil of TWO US citizen parents.

Anything other than those two, and things get hazy.

There was a great write-up on States' website about this.
Actually, the only situation that is crystal-clear is if you are born in the US. (McCain was fine, because he was born in a US territory)

If you are born outside the US to two non-US citizen parents, then it is crystal-clear that you are not a natural-born citizen.

Thats it, those are the only two situations that are clear. It is not clear whether you are a natural-born citizen if you are born outside the US, even to two US parents.

It is also not clear that any of those gray-area cases are not natural-born citizens. (So, I disagree with your first post saying Cruz is not natural-born, it is hazy)

Cruz will need a supreme court ruling. I believe that if the supreme court was forced to rule, then they would say that anyone who was automatically eligible by law for US citizenship at birth, is a natural-born US citizen, which would mean every single gray-area case is resolved as natural-born, and the only people who are not natural born are those born outside the US to 2 non-citizen parents.
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