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Old 05-08-2013, 08:17 AM  
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Will Sen. Ted Cruz ignite the next "birther" controversy?

I like a lot of what Sen Cruz says and wondered about a potential run for President so last night I looked up his bio on Wiki. Immediately I noticed a big problem: Sen Cruz wasn't born in America. For anyone who who has read the Constitution, you know what that means for Ted's chances. However the WaPo answers the question in greater detail here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html



Now, suppose he is deemed eligible. Will the Left savage Cruz and claim he's inelibigle based on a "birther" controversy? They said anyone who did the same to Obama was a crazed paranoid nutball but this was AFTER they spent early 2008 questioning and disputing John McCain's eligibility (he was born in Panama). Will they make up their minds on this topic?



MSNBC (D-Network) panel recently discussed Cruz' eligibility here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOrQDiMDg4E
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:25 AM   #16
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Here come the justifications. Just like I predicted.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I voted against Obama in both elections.

I'm just saying that only a looney tune would compare Obama to McCain and Cruz.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:26 AM   #17
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(So, I disagree with your first post saying Cruz is not natural-born, it is hazy)
Yeah, I shouldn't have stated that so forcefully. Mea culpa.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:26 AM   #18
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I Will the Left savage Cruz and claim he's inelibigle based on a "birther" controversy? They said anyone who did the same to Obama was a crazed paranoid nutball
The Obama birthers are crazed paranoid nutballs. Obama was clearly born in the US. Cruz was clearly born in Canada, so one would not be a crazed paranoid nutball for pointing that out, since it is true. See how that works?

Place of birth aside, if Cruz runs, I expect he will get a large portion of the crazed paranoid nutball vote.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:28 AM   #19
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Because they threw endless tantrums about the "nuts" on the Right even thought they did it to McCain. And would do it to Cruz too.
I think you are really, really overstating the supposed McCain birthplace controversy.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:31 AM   #20
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Ah, found it. From one of the Obama birther threads:

As I understand it, in the case of a child born abroad to one citizen and one alien within 1952 and 1986, the citizen parent must have physically lived in the US for ten years. Five of which must have been after the age of 14. So, if his mother birthed him at 18 in Kenya, she does not meet that threshold and Barack Hussein is not a citizen, let alone a "natural-born citizen."
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:35 AM   #21
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Ah, found it. From one of the Obama birther threads:

As I understand it, in the case of a child born abroad to one citizen and one alien within 1952 and 1986, the citizen parent must have physically lived in the US for ten years. Five of which must have been after the age of 14. So, if his mother birthed him at 18 in Kenya, she does not meet that threshold and Barack Hussein is not a citizen, let alone a "natural-born citizen."
This is complete nonsense.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:36 AM   #22
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This is complete nonsense.
What part? It's from States' website.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:02 AM   #23
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What part? It's from States' website.
The part that assumes he was born in Kenya.
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Old 05-08-2013, 11:05 AM   #24
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The part that assumes he was born in Kenya.
Oh that. Yes, that's why I posed it as a hypothetical.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:05 PM   #25
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I think you are really, really overstating the supposed McCain birthplace controversy.
So not only are the Cruz-Obama situations totally different, but the McCain questions never really happened either. The justifying is ramping up I see.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:13 PM   #26
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Here come the justifications. Just like I predicted.
Justifications? There were known facts and there were theories in the birther situation with Obama. I think what he meant was the known facts in the case of Cruz there are no theories to the contrary.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:33 PM   #27
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It seems to be pretty clear he is a natural-born citizen, despite being born abroad, based on statute. I don't think there will be any controversy.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:15 PM   #28
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So not only are the Cruz-Obama situations totally different, but the McCain questions never really happened either. The justifying is ramping up I see.
Is this preemptive butt hurt?

It's like you're playing this in a way that makes it look like all of the birther freaks on on the Dem side. I remember McCain getting a bit of the birther treatment in sort of a goofy response to Obama wackiness. It was short lived, while the Obama wackiness is ongoing.

I would wonder if the current birther freaks would remain birther freaks even if Cruz is cleared.

I personally don't give a poop. If he's cleared then he's good to go IMO.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:24 PM   #29
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Is this preemptive butt hurt?

It's like you're playing this in a way that makes it look like all of the birther freaks on on the Dem side.
Um, not the point.


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I remember McCain getting a bit of the birther treatment in sort of a goofy response to Obama wackiness.
Exactly. "I can do it if you can do it" isn't a logical rebuttal. It's either incorrectly argued and unimportant or it's not.


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It was short lived, while the Obama wackiness is ongoing.
Yeah, if McCain had won the Election and Obama went back to the Senate, I'm sure the Obama birthers would still be looking into it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:25 PM   #30
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I like a lot of what Sen Cruz says and wondered about a potential run for President so last night I looked up his bio on Wiki. Immediately I noticed a big problem: Sen Cruz wasn't born in America. For anyone who who has read the Constitution, you know what that means for Ted's chances. However the WaPo answers the question in greater detail here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html



Now, suppose he is deemed eligible. Will the Left savage Cruz and claim he's inelibigle based on a "birther" controversy? They said anyone who did the same to Obama was a crazed paranoid nutball but this was AFTER they spent early 2008 questioning and disputing John McCain's eligibility (he was born in Panama). Will they make up their minds on this topic?



MSNBC (D-Network) panel recently discussed Cruz' eligibility here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOrQDiMDg4E
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