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Old 05-08-2013, 08:17 AM  
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Will Sen. Ted Cruz ignite the next "birther" controversy?

I like a lot of what Sen Cruz says and wondered about a potential run for President so last night I looked up his bio on Wiki. Immediately I noticed a big problem: Sen Cruz wasn't born in America. For anyone who who has read the Constitution, you know what that means for Ted's chances. However the WaPo answers the question in greater detail here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...add_story.html



Now, suppose he is deemed eligible. Will the Left savage Cruz and claim he's inelibigle based on a "birther" controversy? They said anyone who did the same to Obama was a crazed paranoid nutball but this was AFTER they spent early 2008 questioning and disputing John McCain's eligibility (he was born in Panama). Will they make up their minds on this topic?



MSNBC (D-Network) panel recently discussed Cruz' eligibility here:
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Old 05-08-2013, 03:18 PM   #31
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:10 PM   #32
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McCain was born in US territory. Thats cool when both parents are USA citzens and serving in the military.

Cruz is different. "Natural born" in the constitution has always been ruled by the courts to be on USA soil, correct? Seems to be a potential problem.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:38 PM   #33
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McCain was born in US territory. Thats cool when both parents are USA citzens and serving in the military.
That's something I'd like to see changed.
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Old 05-08-2013, 06:10 PM   #34
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That's something I'd like to see changed.
Why?
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:00 PM   #35
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McCain was born in US territory. Thats cool when both parents are USA citzens and serving in the military.

Cruz is different. "Natural born" in the constitution has always been ruled by the courts to be on USA soil, correct? Seems to be a potential problem.
Actually no. It has generally been considered to be "born a citizen." That's it. So if the law changed to say "anyone born in France with two French parents but has the middle name Eustace" is a US citizen.. then they are "natural born." Since Cruz was born a US citizen he is "natural born."

That's all there is to it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:12 PM   #36
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Cruz is different. "Natural born" in the constitution has always been ruled by the courts to be on USA soil, correct?.
Are you asking or just making a wild assertion?
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Actually no. It has generally been considered to be "born a citizen." That's it. So if the law changed to say "anyone born in France with two French parents but has the middle name Eustace" is a US citizen.. then they are "natural born." Since Cruz was born a US citizen he is "natural born."

That's all there is to it.
I read several articles back when this came up with McCain that said the courts have ruled many times that "natural born" = on USA soil, so McCain was qualified if it ever went to court.

I could be remembering wrong, been drunk that month or on meth. Just saying.......

FTR, I think if you are born to American parents anywhere in the world should be eligible for the presidency.
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Old 05-08-2013, 10:32 PM   #38
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I read several articles back when this came up with McCain that said the courts have ruled many times that "natural born" = on USA soil, so McCain was qualified if it ever went to court.

I could be remembering wrong, been drunk that month or on meth. Just saying.......

FTR, I think if you are born to American parents anywhere in the world should be eligible for the presidency.
I have heard "opinions" stating that but no actual court cases (but I also didn't pay too close attention since I never lent the issue any credence). More to the point I think with McCain that was just one way to prove he was fine but that didn't necessarily mean that it was the only way to be "natural born."

I highly doubt it will be anything other than a fringe issue if he even runs.
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Cruz is a ridiculously great debater and pretty damn smart. It would be incredibly stupid to underestimate him at this point. He's completely unproven right now but that cuts both ways.
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Cruz is a ridiculously great debater and pretty damn smart. It would be incredibly stupid to underestimate him at this point. He's completely unproven right now but that cuts both ways.
There is no way some 46 year old, minority, first term Senator with an extremely partisan voting record, a questionable birth issue, Harvard Law alum married with two daughters would ever be electable.


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Cruz is a ridiculously great debater and pretty damn smart. It would be incredibly stupid to underestimate him at this point. He's completely unproven right now but that cuts both ways.
I'm going to vehemently disagree with the pretty smart portion. Had to listen to his shit constantly up during the last election season. The guy is an extreme tea partier and is not electable for a nationwide electorate.
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Why would we trust that a Princeton and Harvard educated lawyer who won the national college debate championship and then went on to become US Senator would be any more intelligent than an internet idiot named "KCNative"
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I'm going to vehemently disagree with the pretty smart portion. Had to listen to his shit constantly up during the last election season. The guy is an extreme tea partier and is not electable for a nationwide electorate.
In a Venn Diagram of "Smart" intersecting "Crazy" I would say there is considerable room for Senator Cruz.
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I'm going to vehemently disagree with the pretty smart portion. Had to listen to his shit constantly up during the last election season. The guy is an extreme tea partier and is not electable for a nationwide electorate.
I'd wager I've listened to quite a bit more of Cruz and he's not as "extreme" as you want to paint him. There's a HUGE difference in how you posture in a local Texas primary and how you position yourself nationally. You (and I) have ZERO clue how he'll present himself to a national audience. The only indications we have are what he has shown nationally so far... and nothing has been "extreme." My only concern(right now) is that he is too Baptist for my tastes. If he downplays that aspect(social conservatism) he is a VERY palatable candidate.

And you are a ****ing joke if you think he isn't smart. that is one of the most absurdly ridiculous assertions you can make about him.

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Of course you know more about him than a massively distinguished far left legal scholar and professor who ACTUALLY knows him.
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