Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-08-2013, 01:32 PM  
ChiefsandO'sfan ChiefsandO'sfan is offline
Alex Smith
 
ChiefsandO'sfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Casino cash: $9010
PFF Ranks top 101 players of 2012 and No Jamaal Charles

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...the-full-list/


Just wow.
Posts: 17,278
ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.ChiefsandO'sfan threw an interception on a screen pass.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 06:22 PM   #76
-King- -King- is offline
▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓
 
-King-'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Casino cash: $16251
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
I have to agree that the boom or bust nature of Charles running game, particularly last season, is a little concerning.
I've already disproved that stupid stat.
__________________
#BerryStrong
Posts: 40,815
-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 06:57 PM   #77
Deberg_1990 Deberg_1990 is offline
Gonzo = Sexy Bitch
 
Deberg_1990's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: San Antonio Tx.
Casino cash: $14575
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan View Post
Heh, this proves just how meaningless stats are sometimes.
__________________
Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning:

Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
Posts: 50,745
Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 06:58 PM   #78
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by -King- View Post
I've already disproved that stupid stat.
No, that stat is true. You added another level of information, but that doesn't disprove the stat nor does it undermine the truth of what I said.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:01 PM   #79
Deberg_1990 Deberg_1990 is offline
Gonzo = Sexy Bitch
 
Deberg_1990's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: San Antonio Tx.
Casino cash: $14575
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nightfyre View Post
So, Charles gets no credit for his vision, explosiveness, and speed - just if he breaks a tackle? Hmmm.
There is no easy way to measure that stuff....therefore they just ignore it. Stats like this are meaningless sometimes.
__________________
Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning:

Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down.

One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
Posts: 50,745
Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Deberg_1990 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:17 PM   #80
Hog Farmer Hog Farmer is offline
Good Donkey = Dead Donkey
 
Hog Farmer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2001
Casino cash: $10889
Did they rank Cassel up there in the top 10. prolly !
Posts: 15,766
Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:20 PM   #81
unnecessary drama unnecessary drama is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Nov 2012
Casino cash: $5000
Charles had some bad games that weren't really his fault at all.

PFF definitely ****ed this one up.

he definitely wasn't 2010 Charles good on a better team against a shittier schedule with a more confident QB where they were competitive in most games

but in 2012 when you fall down by 3 scores in 2 quarters you kind of lose a little desire/steer away from the game plan a bit

but hey...PFF is willing to hire guys like Direkshun to scout games so honestly...they aren't exactly some sort of "science"
Posts: 7,860
unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:28 PM   #82
Hog Farmer Hog Farmer is offline
Good Donkey = Dead Donkey
 
Hog Farmer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2001
Casino cash: $10889
This is exactly why we should rely on hearsay or bulletin board wisdom to make hard decisions.
Posts: 15,766
Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.Hog Farmer has parlayed a career as a truck driver into debt free trailer and jon boat ownership.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:29 PM   #83
Alex Smith 4Ever Alex Smith 4Ever is offline
Starter
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Casino cash: $5170
Quote:
Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop View Post
Where is Alice?
AleX Smith would have mad the list if he played ever snap

104 passer rating all day
Posts: 161
Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Alex Smith 4Ever < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:34 PM   #84
-King- -King- is offline
▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓
 
-King-'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Casino cash: $16251
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
No, that stat is true. You added another level of information, but that doesn't disprove the stat nor does it undermine the truth of what I said.
It's true. But like I said, you can do that for literally ANY player in the league.

PFF took 19(.07%) of Charles' 285 carries. If I did the same for Adrian Peterson, I'd get 852 yards on 23 carries. That means for the rest of his carries, Adrian Peterson only averaged 3.8 yards per carry. Below average.

Or are you going to say Adrian Peterson was boom or bust also?

It's a stupid stat no matter how true it is. You take the the longest runs from any running back and their average will drop dramatically. What's next? Take the longest 20 passes from quarterbacks to figure out their yards per attempt? Alex Smith would average like 2 yards then.
__________________
#BerryStrong
Posts: 40,815
-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:49 PM   #85
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by -King- View Post
It's true. But like I said, you can do that for literally ANY player in the league.

PFF took 19(.07%) of Charles' 285 carries. If I did the same for Adrian Peterson, I'd get 852 yards on 23 carries. That means for the rest of his carries, Adrian Peterson only averaged 3.8 yards per carry. Below average.

Or are you going to say Adrian Peterson was boom or bust also?

It's a stupid stat no matter how true it is. You take the the longest runs from any running back and their average will drop dramatically. What's next? Take the longest 20 passes from quarterbacks to figure out their yards per attempt? Alex Smith would average like 2 yards then.
I don't watch enough of Adrian Peterson to know how he gets his yards, but my impression of him is that he's more consistent.

I'm not saying JC is bad or that I'd rather have someone else (I'd probably take AP over him, but I can't think of too many others). I'm just saying that he has a lot of non-productive runs mixed in with his 10 yard and 90 yard bursts. And a lot of his bursts in some games came when the Chiefs would run on a passing down like 2nd and long. It would have been fine if Peyton Hillis or Thomas Jones were able to be the dependable 3 yard guy you could count on, but they were all the bust without the boom.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:50 PM   #86
unnecessary drama unnecessary drama is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Nov 2012
Casino cash: $5000
if a running back got 4 yards every carry every time; no more or no less

his team would never lose

what a dumb ****ing reason to not rank a player above Blair ****ing Walsh
Posts: 7,860
unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:52 PM   #87
-King- -King- is offline
▓▓▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▓▓
 
-King-'s Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Casino cash: $16251
Quote:
Originally Posted by patteeu View Post
I don't watch enough of Adrian Peterson to know how he gets his yards, but my impression of him is that he's more consistent.

I'm not saying JC is bad or that I'd rather have someone else (I'd probably take AP over him, but I can't think of too many others). I'm just saying that he has a lot of non-productive runs mixed in with his 10 yard and 90 yard bursts. And a lot of his bursts in some games came when the Chiefs would run on a passing down like 2nd and long. It would have been fine if Peyton Hillis or Thomas Jones were able to be the dependable 3 yard guy you could count on, but they were all the bust without the boom.
I already addressed this.

Quote:
Originally Posted by -King- View Post
Even in the games where Charles had a big run, you can take away the big run and his ypc would still be great.

For example, even without the 91 yard run against the Saints, he still averaged 4.4 yards. Even without the 86 yard run against the Colts, he still averaged 6.7 yards per carry.
Charles is EXTREMELY consistent. One of the top 3 most consistent running backs in the league.
__________________
#BerryStrong
Posts: 40,815
-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.-King- is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 07:53 PM   #88
patteeu patteeu is offline
The 23rd Pillar
 
patteeu's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by -King- View Post
I already addressed this.



Charles is EXTREMELY consistent. One of the top 3 most consistent running backs in the league.
You addressed it, but I disagree with your conclusions.
__________________


"I'll see you guys in New York." ISIS Caliph Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to US military personnel upon his release from US custody at Camp Bucca in Iraq during Obama's first year in office.
Posts: 75,744
patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.patteeu is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 08:02 PM   #89
Bambi Bambi is online now
Supporter
 
Bambi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: New York City
Casino cash: $11125
I wouldn't worry too much about this list. No Arian Foster is a much bigger argument than Charles. Even Ridley and Chris Johnson have a complaint.

2. Adrian Peterson, RB, Minnesota Vikings
18. C.J. Spiller, RB, Buffalo Bills
38. Alfred Morris, RB, Washington Redskins
40. Marshawn Lynch, RB, Seattle Seahawks
71. Frank Gore, RB, San Francisco 49ers
88. Doug Martin, RB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
92. Ray Rice, RB, Baltimore Ravens
__________________
The other thing about B-Rush is that he never lied. Coach Self would be like, “Did everyone make curfew last night? If you didn’t make curfew, raise your hand.” All of us that broke curfew kept our hands down — except B-Rush. He’d raise his hand and tell on himself. Coach Self would ask him why he didn’t make curfew and he’d say, “Because the club was crackin’!” Everyone would laugh and he’d make B-Rush run a little bit.
Posts: 12,908
Bambi has disabled reputation
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2013, 08:04 PM   #90
unnecessary drama unnecessary drama is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Nov 2012
Casino cash: $5000
I figured Alfred Morris was their glory back.

anyone who rates that dude over JamChar in ANY METRIC is just a flat out moron.

so anyone who quotes PFF when they talk about RB's, ever, is dumb.
Posts: 7,860
unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.unnecessary drama < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:09 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.