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Old 05-10-2013, 10:02 AM  
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IRS Admits it Targeted Conservative Groups

The complaints by conservatives that they were being singled out for scrutiny by the IRS turns out to be true.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...y.html?hpid=z1
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:34 PM   #196
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GEEEZZZ thats not what happened. Thats your theory based on public news reports.

And quit being so damn naive and idealistic. I'm the dopey dreamer. Your the hard bitten realist.
How can you even claim to know what happened when we don't even have all the facts in yet? What facts we do know is not theory nor naive nor idealistic and paints what happened, not good for this administration. It's crazy to claim to know unless you are in full spin mode.

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Old 05-15-2013, 08:39 PM   #197
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Under IRS law, political organizations cannot be tax-exempt, so all applicants who used the words "Tea Party" or "Patriot" were required to prove in great detail they were a social welfare organization to qualify.

Organizations are eligible for tax-exempt status if they are "social welfare groups," NPR's Brian Naylor reported on Morning Edition. But they are not eligible for that status if they engage in a substantial amount of political activity.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...erent-partisan
Wow, what a fascist law! Then again, we all should be income tax exempt, since we're supposed to be a free country—not a Marxist one.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:43 PM   #198
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Can we be specific on this? What allegations, exactly, are you referring to. It seems the facts are settling out on this and I'm not seeing much that's very serious. While there were communication errors, I haven't seen a darn thing anyone did wrong that, if done right, was likely to save a single life of any of the folks we lost in Benghazi.
The way I see it...

Repeated requests by embassy security in the weeks leading up to the Sept. 11 attack were denied by the State Department. - Incompetence.

Attack happens. The whole issue of someone was told to stand down is he said-she said, more digging could be done there but even if military assets were told to stand down because it was too late I don't see any wrong doing there.

The biggest problem I have is what happened next. From the president on down they immediately lied to the public about what happened with an election 7 odd weeks away. The Libyan president said in public it was an act of terror. There was no doubt. Are you disputing that part of it?

****ing up happens. Lying about it for your own gain isn't leading, it's disgusting.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:50 PM   #199
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So has reading the timeline of events now that the White House released the emails changed your opinion at all?
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:54 PM   #200
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The way I see it...

Repeated requests by embassy security in the weeks leading up to the Sept. 11 attack were denied by the State Department. - Incompetence.

Attack happens. The whole issue of someone was told to stand down is he said-she said, more digging could be done there but even if military assets were told to stand down because it was too late I don't see any wrong doing there.

The biggest problem I have is what happened next. From the president on down they immediately lied to the public about what happened with an election 7 odd weeks away. The Libyan president said in public it was an act of terror. There was no doubt. Are you disputing that part of it?

****ing up happens. Lying about it for your own gain isn't leading, it's disgusting.
It's crazy how they just don't get that.

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Old 05-15-2013, 09:00 PM   #201
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GEEEZZZ thats not what happened. Thats your theory based on public news reports.

And quit being so damn naive and idealistic. I'm the dopey dreamer. Your the hard bitten realist.
Which part of my theory are you disagreeing with?
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:03 PM   #202
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He did. Congress and Reagan had private testimony that was sworn and he blatantly lied that all these new weapons that the Sandinista's had were from the USA. But presidents lie all the time. Just some are bigger lies than others and most dont get caught.
Um, not a dime of US govt/taxpayer money was used in that deal either. Private funds were secured. Plus the Boland Amendment was under consideration then, as being unConstitutional. It was eventually repealed anyway, so we'll never know if it really was. Afterwards, a new act was passed allowing funds from Congress for the Contras.

By the time Congress used its shared power by passing Boland I, the Reagan administration had already committed itself to supporting the Contras unconditionally and at any cost.

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Boland I left a loophole that the Reagan administration quickly utilized- as long as the U.S. itself did not intend to overthrow the Nicaraguan government, the U.S. could support the Contras under a different guise such as humanitarian aid or by the solicitation of money from third-party funds and private actors. Thus, Boland I had no real impact on the conduct of the war in Nicaragua. ...

Boland II left two loopholes for getting money to the Contras. The first loophole, like that of Boland I, was to solicit third-party funds from private donors or third party countries to give money to the Contras. The second loophole was to use the NSC which is the President's principal forum for considering national security and foreign policy matters with his senior national security advisors and cabinet officials based on the logic that the NSC is not covered under Boland. ...

The passage of Boland II led to creative means of operational support of the contras: arms deals, air supply ops and intelligence support, and further solicitation of additional third party funds.

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Old 05-15-2013, 09:09 PM   #203
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The way I see it...

Repeated requests by embassy security in the weeks leading up to the Sept. 11 attack were denied by the State Department. - Incompetence.

Attack happens. The whole issue of someone was told to stand down is he said-she said, more digging could be done there but even if military assets were told to stand down because it was too late I don't see any wrong doing there.

The biggest problem I have is what happened next. From the president on down they immediately lied to the public about what happened with an election 7 odd weeks away. The Libyan president said in public it was an act of terror. There was no doubt. Are you disputing that part of it?

****ing up happens. Lying about it for your own gain isn't leading, it's disgusting.
Your biggest problem with it is the least important aspect. This "lie" you are talking about I assume is the 'motivated by a video' vs 'motivated by general US hatred regardless of the video.' It was an act of terror either way, and was labeled as such the next day.

Fact is, there were protests and violence that same day across the Middle East motivated by that video. The aspect of whether the video vs something else was a motivation to the particular group at Benghazi is irrelevant to security staffing or the attack response.

You're citing the Libyan pres as saying 'act of terror' as relevant? JFC
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:33 PM   #204
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Your biggest problem with it is the least important aspect. This "lie" you are talking about I assume is the 'motivated by a video' vs 'motivated by general US hatred regardless of the video.' It was an act of terror either way, and was labeled as such the next day.

Fact is, there were protests and violence that same day across the Middle East motivated by that video. The aspect of whether the video vs something else was a motivation to the particular group at Benghazi is irrelevant to security staffing or the attack response.

You're citing the Libyan pres as saying 'act of terror' as relevant? JFC
Yes, one would hope a hand ass wiping Arab would have less common sense and integrity than our own Secretary of State and President but you get what you get when retards vote.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:18 PM   #205
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I know exactly what happened in Benghazi. I just don't see the outrage. Who changed the talking points? That = Watergate? Come on man.

Until evidence shows up that someone or some organization controlled by the President outside of the IRS put pressure on them to to what they did....... thats not Watergate either.
You are finally right in one aspect - neither are Watergate, because both are much, much worse.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:14 AM   #206
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@billmaher: The IRS targeted people who want to abolish the IRS?Shocking, like getting pulled over more after U put on the **** the Police bumpersticker
Yeah, this is the joke the left has been running with. Although, unless Maher posted this several days ago he's using a recycled joke.

I don't see why that's supposed to make it ok, though.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:24 AM   #207
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:27 AM   #208
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He did. Congress and Reagan had private testimony that was sworn and he blatantly lied that all these new weapons that the Sandinista's had were from the USA. But presidents lie all the time. Just some are bigger lies than others and most dont get caught.
I know exactly what happened in Benghazi. I just don't see the outrage. Who changed the talking points? That = Watergate? Come on man.

What happened at the IRS was outrageous and goes against how government should operate. People need to be fired and or go to jail is laws were broke.

Until evidence shows up that someone or some organization controlled by the President outside of the IRS put pressure on them to to what they did....... thats not Watergate either.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:35 AM   #209
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Obama just said he didn't know anything about the IRS leaks.

Anyone surprised? For having the cutting edge of information at his access anytime he sure is dumb.
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Obama just said he didn't know anything about the IRS leaks.
Which did not answer the question asked/
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