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Old 05-10-2013, 10:02 AM  
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IRS Admits it Targeted Conservative Groups

The complaints by conservatives that they were being singled out for scrutiny by the IRS turns out to be true.

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Old 05-16-2013, 11:40 AM   #211
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Obama just said he didn't know anything about the IRS leaks.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:43 PM   #212
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You are finally right in one aspect - neither are Watergate, because both are much, much worse.
Worse than Reagan secretly selling arms to our enemies to make a profit?
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:02 PM   #213
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Worse than Reagan secretly selling arms to our enemies to make a profit?
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:23 PM   #214
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Now that we're starting to learn the full story, there really isn't "another side" to it. This is crazy-making.

At best, the administration was utterly incompetent, allowing the IRS to do whatever the hell they wanted with no oversight.

That explanation is difficult to believe and awfully convenient, given the timing of the filings, delays, and election. It wasn't just some big backlog slowing everyone down either, because "progressive" political groups got fast-tracked right through to their 501(c)(4) status.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:28 PM   #215
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Obama just said he didn't know anything about the IRS leaks.
Well, of course he said that. Maybe he did or didn't know, but if he did know, he'd have no choice but to lie.

Directing the IRS to do this, or knowing they are doing this and not stopping it, would be a pretty good basis for impeachment, and I say this well aware of the fact that 99.9% of the time when people talk about impeachment, they are looney political hacks.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:30 PM   #216
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Now that we're starting to learn the full story, there really isn't "another side" to it. This is crazy-making.

At best, the administration was utterly incompetent, allowing the IRS to do whatever the hell they wanted with no oversight.

That explanation is difficult to believe and awfully convenient, given the timing of the filings, delays, and election. It wasn't just some big backlog slowing everyone down either, because "progressive" political groups got fast-tracked right through to their 501(c)(4) status.
I think the White House is pretty much supposed to leave IRS alone.

I've read that non-conservative groups also got caught up in the extra scrutiny, but that the huge number of conservative groups vs other types definitely impacted them more. Where did you see that 'progressive' groups were fast tracked?
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:37 PM   #217
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Well, of course he said that. Maybe he did or didn't know, but if he did know, he'd have no choice but to lie.

Directing the IRS to do this, or knowing they are doing this and not stopping it, would be a pretty good basis for impeachment, and I say this well aware of the fact that 99.9% of the time when people talk about impeachment, they are looney political hacks.
If he directed them, I'd agree. It would seem to me that directing them to do this would have pretty minimal benefit vs the risk. These groups are pretty small potatoes--they would have minimal to no impact on anything--and in the end, they got approved anyway.

The Tea Party-type big boys bringing in the big dollars are already established. If Obama wanted to screw with something that would matter, he'd go after the groups actually bringing in $ and audit them or have an federal election law complaint filed against them or something.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #218
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I think the White House is pretty much supposed to leave IRS alone.

I've read that non-conservative groups also got caught up in the extra scrutiny, but that the huge number of conservative groups vs other types definitely impacted them more. Where did you see that 'progressive' groups were fast tracked?
These employees in the IRS had a specific method where they red-flagged groups with specific conservative keywords for this extra scrutiny. It wasn't a matter of being bogged down and everyone got delayed, or there would be no reason for Obama to be "angry" or fire the acting director over it.

Progressive groups are not going to have these "tea party", "patriot" etc keywords in their name, so they weren't subject to this extra harassment.
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:57 PM   #219
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IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.

Grant announced today that he would retire June 3, despite being appointed as commissioner of the tax-exempt office May 8, a week ago.

ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...h-care-office/
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:02 PM   #220
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IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.

Grant announced today that he would retire June 3, despite being appointed as commissioner of the tax-exempt office May 8, a week ago.

ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...h-care-office/

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Worse than Reagan secretly selling arms to our enemies to make a profit?
You seem confused about what took place...

To your point however, while I do not agree with what Reagan did at all and in no way personally condone it, if I am forced to compare the two, at least it can be said that Reagan's intentions were good ( free hostages, fund those to take down our enemies ) whereas Obama's regime directly targeted American's with opposing beliefs to adversely effect them and help him get re-elected.

And you really have to ask which is worse?
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:18 PM   #222
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:21 PM   #223
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You seem confused about what took place...

To your point however, while I do not agree with what Reagan did at all and in no way personally condone it, if I am forced to compare the two, at least it can be said that Reagan's intentions were good ( free hostages, fund those to take down our enemies ) whereas Obama's regime directly targeted American's with opposing beliefs to adversely effect them and help him get re-elected.

And you really have to ask which is worse?
There is absolutely no evidence that Obama knew about the Stupid ass BS was going on at the IRS.

Reagan lied to the American people in a televised address that there was any arms sold. He lied to congress about it.

You are so FOS. You are in that Republican bubble and need to come up for air if you think going on TV to address the American people and lie to them that you didn't direct the CIA to sell arms to our enemies to make a profit. Of course the secret is found out and you have to go back on TV and say you lied = bureaucrats doing something really stupid without the President knowing or directing them.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:33 PM   #224
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Worse than Reagan secretly selling arms to our enemies to make a profit?
Iran wasn't and still isn't our enemy. That's Kool-Aid drinkin'! And profit is not a dirty word. It's a good word. At least we don't have to pay for anything. Which is worse?
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:43 PM   #225
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Iran wasn't and still isn't our enemy.
Iran is an enemy of our closest ally in the region which has to make them ours as well. They are determined to wipe Israel off the map and are arming those to do their bidding. do not agree with you at all
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