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Old 05-10-2013, 10:02 AM  
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IRS Admits it Targeted Conservative Groups

The complaints by conservatives that they were being singled out for scrutiny by the IRS turns out to be true.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...y.html?hpid=z1
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:27 PM   #241
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Yes, I know... I meant a new way of thinking that is yours is NOT for me. Mostly, I feel thru your posts that you are settling under a sky-high flyball in right field somewhere
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:29 PM   #242
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I think the White House is pretty much supposed to leave IRS alone.

I've read that non-conservative groups also got caught up in the extra scrutiny, but that the huge number of conservative groups vs other types definitely impacted them more. Where did you see that 'progressive' groups were fast tracked?
This one's interesting. Get caught in IRS limbo with a conservative sounding name, change your name to a liberal sounding name, reapply and get approved in 3 weeks. Nothing to it huh?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/c...193457897.html
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:34 PM   #243
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This one's interesting. Get caught in IRS limbo with a conservative sounding name, change your name to a liberal sounding name, reapply and get approved in 3 weeks. Nothing to it huh?

My new name is Karl Luther Marx.

Or do you think cosmo would be a better first name?
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:05 PM   #244
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This one's interesting. Get caught in IRS limbo with a conservative sounding name, change your name to a liberal sounding name, reapply and get approved in 3 weeks. Nothing to it huh?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/c...193457897.html
This seems kind of relevant:

"The reason for the difference in timing could have nothing to do with the group's name. Greenhouse Solutions was applying for "permanent" nonprofit status after existing as a nonprofit group for some time. Media Trackers, a new group, was just beginning the first steps in the application process. Having a previous file with the IRS could very well have been the reason Greenhouse's application was approved so quickly."
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:23 PM   #245
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Anyone find it funny people like Cosmo says this is no big deal while it'll be the same people running obamacare?
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:35 PM   #246
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Anyone find it funny people like Cosmo says this is no big deal while it'll be the same people running obamacare?
I don't think it is "no big deal." I do think it is "less of a deal" than the frothing right-wingers are trying make it.
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:53 PM   #247
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In other news: Russia has moved 12-15 warships near its naval base in Syria today.

A little aggressive, no?
Dude comeon you really think Russia moved those ships to keep us from using our military against Syria?

Whats more plausible? I'll let you try again.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:05 PM   #248
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There is absolutely no evidence that Obama knew about the Stupid ass BS was going on at the IRS.

Reagan lied to the American people in a televised address that there was any arms sold. He lied to congress about it.

You are so FOS. You are in that Republican bubble and need to come up for air if you think going on TV to address the American people and lie to them that you didn't direct the CIA to sell arms to our enemies to make a profit. Of course the secret is found out and you have to go back on TV and say you lied = bureaucrats doing something really stupid without the President knowing or directing them.
First off, like Obama does, you completely ignored the context of each situation - Reagan trying to save people and fight our enemy, Obama's team trying to oppress Americans to win an election. Plus, there was no 'selling arms to profit'; arms were sold trying to save Americans and funds were sent to people fighting those holding our hostages. Ignoring those points means you are either dishonest or a dumbass.

As for Obama 'knowing' what the IRS was doing... you're really buying that? These people got their positions BECAUSE they would do things like this for Obama. Plus, his person overseeing this is now over the Obamacare part of IRS and the guy who resigned was set to do so any ways. No connections to Obama? Bullshit. Again, dishonest or just a dumbass?
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:17 PM   #249
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First off, like Obama does, you completely ignored the context of each situation - Reagan trying to save people and fight our enemy, Obama's team trying to oppress Americans to win an election. Plus, there was no 'selling arms to profit'; arms were sold trying to save Americans and funds were sent to people fighting those holding our hostages. Ignoring those points means you are either dishonest or a dumbass.

As for Obama 'knowing' what the IRS was doing... you're really buying that? These people got their positions BECAUSE they would do things like this for Obama. Plus, his person overseeing this is now over the Obamacare part of IRS and the guy who resigned was set to do so any ways. No connections to Obama? Bullshit. Again, dishonest or just a dumbass?
You realize you are talking about people who were at the IRS well before Obama arrived?
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:24 PM   #250
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First off, like Obama does, you completely ignored the context of each situation - Reagan trying to save people and fight our enemy, Obama's team trying to oppress Americans to win an election. Plus, there was no 'selling arms to profit'; arms were sold trying to save Americans and funds were sent to people fighting those holding our hostages. Ignoring those points means you are either dishonest or a dumbass.
You are clueless. Grab a history book pal. Reagan went on national TV and said you know me, I nor anyone sold arms to Iran. Oboma had nothing to do with the talking points being changed. He didn't go on TV knowing it was a terriost attack and tell everyone, you know me, it was a protest.

Reagan knew that was a lie because he authorized the sale. Iran got over a 100 air to air missles. Congress specifically banned any help for the Contras. He violated a Congressional law that was passed.

It's important that we view our leaders with the warts they all have and not as saints.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:49 PM   #251
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You are clueless. Grab a history book pal. Reagan went on national TV and said you know me, I nor anyone sold arms to Iran. Oboma had nothing to do with the talking points being changed. He didn't go on TV knowing it was a terriost attack and tell everyone, you know me, it was a protest.

Reagan knew that was a lie because he authorized the sale. Iran got over a 100 air to air missles. Congress specifically banned any help for the Contras. He violated a Congressional law that was passed.

It's important that we view our leaders with the warts they all have and not as saints.
If you're saying Obama went in front of the public spewing lies based on talking points instead of being briefed directly by Brennan and Clinton that makes him more incompetent than even I thought.
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:54 PM   #252
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You realize you are talking about people who were at the IRS well before Obama arrived?
Do you just make this up as you go along? Sarah Hall Ingram worked in the IRS previously, but reigned over tax exempt status from 2009 - 2012 and is now overseeing the IRS wing of Obamacare.

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You are clueless. Grab a history book pal. Reagan went on national TV and said you know me, I nor anyone sold arms to Iran. Oboma had nothing to do with the talking points being changed. He didn't go on TV knowing it was a terriost attack and tell everyone, you know me, it was a protest.

Reagan knew that was a lie because he authorized the sale. Iran got over a 100 air to air missles. Congress specifically banned any help for the Contras. He violated a Congressional law that was passed.

It's important that we view our leaders with the warts they all have and not as saints.
You seem to be the one struggling with history ( "arms for profit" - ahhaahha ) As for 'violating congressional law', while Reagan most definitely circumvented it, he most certainly did not violate it either; the loopholes are well documented, but perhaps you haven't gotten to those part in your 7th grade history class.

When it comes to Obama, you are a damned fool / liar if you continue to state 'Obama didn't know it was a terrorist attack' - that is quite simply bullshit.

Nevertheless, you continue to fail to stay on topic of the very question you posed, ie. which is worse? You claim ignorance for Obama (bullshit) and say Reagan lied and leave it at that, but as I continue to retort - why did Reagan do what he did? Why did Obama & his people do the things they have done? Both have lied to Americans, purposefully attempting to deceive.

The answers...

Reagan was trying to save American hostages and help fund our enemy's enemy ( the enemy of my enemy is my friend ). It was still wrong what he did, but his intentions were noble ( insert cliche here ).

Obama's intentions were anything but noble, in every one of his many, many scandals. Obama has done nothing but seek power and go against America.

Let's recap - he failed to protect Americans, failed to call in backup, didn't bother to ask for an update on the situation as he had a campaign to run, blamed it on a video and vowed to 'bring that person to justice' ( for what? exercising his 1st amendment rights? all to cover up a terrorist attack to win an election ), appoints people into positions of power to oppress Americans that disagree with him via the IRS ( and to win an election ), appoints an AG who supplies guns to Mexico ( to push for anti-2nd amendment laws ), instructs the AG to not defend laws passed by Congress ( Marriage Act ), appoints a woman to Homeland Security who frees already obtained illegals ( because he didn't get the tax hikes and extra spending he wanted ) while having his AG take a family seeking asylum from religious persecution to court to deport them ( as he is a racist and by acts, proves anti-Christian ), refuses to acknowledge a terror attack ( Ft Hood, to purport the 'war on terror' as 'won' ), and promoted a movie on the killing of a terrorist based on 'leaked' information while most the team responsible is then killed in a manner that looks an awful lot like a set up.

And that's just off the top of my head....

But yeah, Reagan's the 'bad guy' of the two....
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:42 AM   #253
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I don't think it is "no big deal." I do think it is "less of a deal" than the frothing right-wingers are trying make it.
It's not "frothing right wingers" making this a big deal. Your sacred Obama ball licking media are ever reporting on this. Democrats are incensed about this as well. So try again with your false characterizations.
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So the lady in charge of the division that approved these political groups being stalled, delayed, asked information that was irrelevant, was given bonuses and promoted? But no supervisor above her knew what was going on?
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