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Old 05-10-2013, 10:02 AM  
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IRS Admits it Targeted Conservative Groups

The complaints by conservatives that they were being singled out for scrutiny by the IRS turns out to be true.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...y.html?hpid=z1
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:44 PM   #316
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If you mean "the right" as in the politicians, you are probably right. If you mean "the right" as the general population, you're probably off base.

Unfortunately, the libertarian position has not yet been able to gain any political traction. We really do need a third party, but nobody with the capital to fight the 2 machines will step up and commit to it.

Maybe Bob Dole should ask for a meeting with Ross P. the next time he is in town.
Yeah. I'm talking about the actual politicians, not the voters. The voters actually support smaller government, just like Dem voters actually think they're helping the poor and unfortunate by voting Dem and for social programs.
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:47 PM   #317
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If you mean "the right" as in the politicians, you are probably right. If you mean "the right" as the general population, you're probably off base.

Unfortunately, the libertarian position has not yet been able to gain any political traction. We really do need a third party, but nobody with the capital to fight the 2 machines will step up and commit to it.

Maybe Bob Dole should ask for a meeting with Ross P. the next time he is in town.
So true, it was the general population that the rise of the Tea Party came from because they understood government was getting too powerful and out of control. It's politicians from both parties and the liberal big government culture that came along to successfully demonize the movement and the abuse of power of the IRS to try to stop or slow them down. The Tea Party is a threat to the big out of control government and rightfully so. Government should fear the people, not the other way around.

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Old 05-19-2013, 12:57 PM   #318
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Yeah. I'm talking about the actual politicians, not the voters. The voters actually support smaller government, just like Dem voters actually think they're helping the poor and unfortunate by voting Dem and for social programs.
It is just frustrating all around.

Communities (if allowed) will very often come together to support something that aligns with their values. Prior to the Great Recession, organized religion stepped up to assist the poor in their communities. After the government refused to scale back after recovery, churches turned their attention elsewhere. Bob Dole will step up and assist people he knows who need a hand up. Bob Dole will cease that help when a person proves they are just lazy. Federal government has no way to make that determination.

Any data set is easier to manage if divided in to subsets. It ain't rocket science, and even people who ain't too bright can usually determine that "one of these things is not like the other", just like the concept that Bob Dole would never consider handing decision making authority in his private matters over to the Chiefsplanet community. Why these two fundamental concepts get thrown out the window when it comes to expectations of government, is a ****ing mystery.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:00 PM   #319
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So true, it was the general population that the rise of the Tea Party came from because they understood government was getting too powerful and out of control. It's politicians from both parties and the liberal big government culture that came along to successfully demonize the movement and the abuse of power of the IRS to try to stop or slow them down. The Tea Party is a threat to the big out of control government and rightfully so. Government should fear the people, not the other way around.

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In all seriousness, Bob Dole has had opportunities to ask Perot why he just let his uprising die. Maybe some day Bob Dole will work up the nerve to ask.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:00 PM   #320
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The right gives lip service to the shrinking of the federal government. What they really want to do is redistribute the federal monies to their own per projects, not actually shrink the overall government. They believe in smaller government just like the Dems supposedly believe in helping the poor: the rhetoric resonates with their base.
George W. and Obama have proven your theory.
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:26 PM   #321
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:38 PM   #322
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:38 PM   #323
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1. The left wants to expand the reach and power of government to interfere with our lives while the right wants to constrict it, generally speaking.
Wrong. Both the left and right want to continue to build up the bloated military and welfare state, continue to recklessly debase our currency to "pay" for it, and help out their special interest buddies while distracting voters with wedge issues like gay marriage and gun control. Both major parties are equally corrupt and aren't very significantly different when you look at the big picture.
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:41 PM   #324
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Unfortunately, the libertarian position has not yet been able to gain any political traction. We really do need a third party, but nobody with the capital to fight the 2 machines will step up and commit to it.
Honestly, I don't think that will happen until the media wakes up and starts asking tough questions of our leaders regardless of their party affiliation. Sadly, what passes for journalism nowadays is just a full-out affirmation of the bogus right/left divide.
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:57 PM   #325
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The right gives lip service to the shrinking of the federal government. What they really want to do is redistribute the federal monies to their own per projects, not actually shrink the overall government. They believe in smaller government just like the Dems supposedly believe in helping the poor: the rhetoric resonates with their base.
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If you mean "the right" as in the politicians, you are probably right. If you mean "the right" as the general population, you're probably off base.

Unfortunately, the libertarian position has not yet been able to gain any political traction. We really do need a third party, but nobody with the capital to fight the 2 machines will step up and commit to it.

Maybe Bob Dole should ask for a meeting with Ross P. the next time he is in town.
Maybe the Chiefsplanet Bob Dole needs to run. What is a better slogan than "King shit of **** mountain"?
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The right gives lip service to the shrinking of the federal government. What they really want to do is redistribute the federal monies to their own per projects, not actually shrink the overall government. They believe in smaller government just like the Dems supposedly believe in helping the poor: the rhetoric resonates with their base.
To echo what Bob Dole said, yes if you are talking about politicians.
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Wrong. Both the left and right want to continue to build up the bloated military and welfare state, continue to recklessly debase our currency to "pay" for it, and help out their special interest buddies while distracting voters with wedge issues like gay marriage and gun control. Both major parties are equally corrupt and aren't very significantly different when you look at the big picture.
It's true that the mainstream right is more interested in maintaining a strong defense than the left, but what I said was certainly true when it comes to economic and tax policies.
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According to a story in the Washington Post an anonymous staffer in the IRSs Cincinnati office, which handles nonprofit auditing, as saying:
Were not political, said one determinations staffer in khakis as he left work late Tuesday afternoon. We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do. . . . Thats why there are so many people here who are flustered. Everything comes from the top. We dont have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...1f9_story.html
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According to a story in the Washington Post an anonymous staffer in the IRSs Cincinnati office, which handles nonprofit auditing, as saying:
Were not political, said one determinations staffer in khakis as he left work late Tuesday afternoon. We people on the local level are doing what we are supposed to do. . . . Thats why there are so many people here who are flustered. Everything comes from the top. We dont have any authority to make those decisions without someone signing off on them. There has to be a directive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...1f9_story.html

Which is why the latest from the WH is to call this a "fishing expedition" and then say they will have no part of it.
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