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Old 01-19-2014, 12:14 PM  
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Did Russia assist Snowden in harvesting intelligence?

Intelligence chair: NSA leaker Edward Snowden may have had Russian help



Russia may have helped the former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden to reveal details of surveillance programmes and escape US authorities last year, the chairman of the House intelligence committee claimed on Sunday.

Mike Rogers, a Republican representative from Michigan, interviewed by NBC’s Meet the Press, said Snowden was “a thief whom we believe had some help”, and added that there was an “ongoing” investigation into whether Russia had aided Snowden.

“I believe there's questions to be answered there,” Rogers said. “I don't think it was a gee-whiz luck event that he ended up in Moscow under the handling of the [Russian intelligence service] FSB.”

Rogers added: “Let me just say this. I believe there’s a reason he ended up in the hands, the loving arms, of an FSB agent in Moscow. I don’t think that’s a coincidence.

“We have questions that we have to answer but as someone who used to do investigations some of [the] things we are finding we would call clues that certainly would indicate to me that he had some help and he stole things that had nothing to do with privacy,” said Rogers.

The Democratic chair of the Senate intelligence committee, Dianne Feinstein, a staunch defender of the NSA’s programmes, also spoke to Meet the Press. She said Snowden had joined the NSA “with the intent to take as much material down as he possibly could”.

Asked if he was aided by the Russians, Feinstein said: “He may well have. We don’t know at this stage. But I think to glorify this act is to set a new level of dishonour.”

Rogers' comments were backed by Michael McCaul, chairman of the House committee on homeland security. Speaking from Moscow, the Texas Republican told ABC’s This Week: “I believe he [Snowden] was cultivated by a foreign power to do what he did.”

McCaul said he could not “definitively” say it was Russia that helped Snowden. “Hey, listen, I don't think … Mr Snowden woke up one day and had the wherewithal to do this all by himself. I think he was helped by others. Again, I can't give a definitive statement on that … but I've been given all the evidence, I know Mike Rogers has access to, you know, that I've seen that I don't think he was acting alone.”

Snowden was granted temporary asylum in Russia last August, after travelling to Moscow from Hong Kong. Last year, in an interview with the New York Times, Snowden said he did not take any of the documents he obtained to Russia, “because it wouldn’t serve the public interest”.

Snowden said there was “zero-percent chance” that Russia had received any documents and that he had handed all his NSA data to journalists from media outlets including the Guardian, before leaving Hong Kong. “What would be the unique value of personally carrying another copy of the materials onward?” he said.

Snowden has consistently denied any involvement with foreign spying agencies and said he leaked the documents because he believed the NSA programmes were against the best interests of the US people.

“I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” he told the Guardian last year.

Rogers did not give any supporting evidence for his claims, but suggested Snowden “used methods beyond his technical capabilities" and had help with his travel arrangements.

“He was stealing information that had to do with how we operate overseas to collect information to keep Americans safe … and some of the things he did were beyond his technical capabilities,” Rogers said.


Rogers was also critical of Obama. Also on Sunday, he told CNN’s State of the Union that Friday’s speech had created more uncertainty in the intelligence community and was potentially dangerous.

“We really did need a decision on Friday and what we got was lots of uncertainty,” he said.
“And just in my conversations over the weekend with intelligence officials, that level of uncertainty is already having a bit of an impact on our ability to protect Americans by finding terrorists trying to reach into the United States.”

He added: “I just don’t think we want to go to pre-9/11 just because we haven’t had an attack.”
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:24 PM   #2
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Sounds like he has no proof whatsoever. I'm shocked this is coming from an R.
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:35 PM   #3
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A vague article. Did he have help or not?
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:51 PM   #4
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:56 PM   #5
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Well, his assertion on the program that he couldn't give the details yet I think, in a case like this, could be credible.

The premise is that Snowden did not have the technical ability to do many of the things he did, and that he had to have had outside help.
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:38 PM   #6
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Whether they did or not, and I doubt it, you're supposed to put the link in for a copyrighted cut and paste article.

Anything for another way to get Americans going for another enemy and later another war. Righties eat this stuff up.
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:55 PM   #7
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Sounds like he has no proof whatsoever. I'm shocked this is coming from an R.
He didn't say he had proof and it's coming from both Rs and ds. Not too shocked you didn't notice though.
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:00 PM   #8
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“I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” [Snowden] told the Guardian last year.
I'm not sure I want him here either.

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Old 01-19-2014, 03:03 PM   #9
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Rogers was also critical of Obama. Also on Sunday, he told CNN’s State of the Union that Friday’s speech had created more uncertainty in the intelligence community and was potentially dangerous.

“We really did need a decision on Friday and what we got was lots of uncertainty,” he said.

How dare he.
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:59 PM   #10
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He didn't say he had proof and it's coming from both Rs and ds. Not too shocked you didn't notice though.
Team Statist Red and Team Statist Blue agree that revealing what the state is doing against its own citizens is wrong?! Color me completely shocked.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:03 PM   #11
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I'm not sure I want him here either.

you are nuts. Wishing death on someone who sacrificed all to let the world know the wrong-doing our government has been up to....
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Team Statist Red and Team Statist Blue agree that revealing what the state is doing against its own citizens is wrong?! Color me completely shocked.
What is the state doing against it's citizens? It sounds to me like you're confused. These are foreign intelligence programs.
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you are nuts. Wishing death on someone who sacrificed all to let the world know the wrong-doing our government has been up to....
I'm pro death penalty for traitors, depending on the circumstances. He hasn't exposed any intentional wrong-doing that I know of.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:09 PM   #14
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What is the state doing against it's citizens? It sounds to me like you're confused. These are foreign intelligence programs.
Collecting the information from your phone calls, e-mails, and texts without a warrant?

There is this thing called the 4th amendment. I don't know about you but unless the government has a warrant they shouldn't be getting that information.
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Old 01-19-2014, 04:09 PM   #15
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you are nuts. Wishing death on someone who sacrificed all to let the world know the wrong-doing our government has been up to....
If he really felt he did the right thing, why did he go hide behind putin's apron?
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