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Old 05-13-2013, 11:32 AM  
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Public information now........... Powerful story.

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Rescue of an American aid worker helping the poor in the Somalia region. American home safely. 9 dead Somali bandits. All Seal Team 6 members unharmed.

Remember on the way into the State of the Union Obama told DOD Chief Panneta good job tonight and no one knew why. This is why.


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Tonight, for the first time, we have the story of the rescue of Jessica Buchanan. It is the tale of a secret mission by SEAL Team Six that few people have heard about until now. On a January night in 2012, members of SEAL Team Six jumped from a plane into the skies of Somalia. Jessica Buchanan was being held hostage and the SEALs were descending just in time. Buchanan was a humanitarian aid worker who had come to help children in one of the most dangerous places on Earth. Hers was an ordeal that ended in a flash of violence. but had begun 93 days earlier when her car was stopped by bandits in a place she calls hell................
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:59 PM   #31
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Don't you remember when US officials wanted a new govt in Somalia? We put troops there. To Clinton's credit, he pulled out. Under Bush Jr's WoT, back in again.
Still, the term "isolationist" is just another political boogie man such as "racist", "anti-Semitic," and "homophobic." They're coined to stop critical thought.

The Bush-Clinton Caper in Somalia

Junior Bush's 4th Crusade – Somalia




The CIA calls such retaliation —> B-L-O-W-B-A-C-K!!!
Thats ancient history. The pirates and lawlessness existed long before Clinton. We didn't create them.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:03 PM   #32
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Didn't Somalia get attention from the US because of famine?

It's not like a bunch of US politicians just decided one day to mess with Somalia's government structure. It was rooted in humanitarian efforts.

Ultimately it may have been a disaster, but let's be honest about what drove these actions.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:06 PM   #33
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Didn't Somalia get attention from the US because of famine?

It's not like a bunch of US politicians just decided one day to mess with Somalia's government structure. It was rooted in humanitarian efforts.

Ultimately it may have been a disaster, but let's be honest about what drove these actions.
Please provide sources and links for your assertion.

Because it wasn't just humanitarian. All that requires is dropping aid packages.
Not taking sides in an internal conflict, and using humanitarian reasons for cover.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:09 PM   #34
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Thats ancient history. The pirates and lawlessness existed long before Clinton. We didn't create them.
Irrelevant as to when it happened. Please provide a link or source about them harassing us before we interfered.

Lawlessness aka a failed state was one of the so-called claims by the US. But it's bogus if you know the history and culture. They just did not have a strong central govt which worked for them. That we insisted they have one is what was wrong by us. In fact, our having too strong a central govt is even a problem for us. It's states with strong central powers that make more trouble in history.

So ahem, where did such pirates get their AK-47's and RPG rockets? I haven't heard of pirates in the Indonesia area having such weapons.
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:16 PM   #35
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This is actually true, according to a friend of mine who was a former Seal.
Was a former SEAL? Does that mean your "friend" is a SEAL now?
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:18 PM   #36
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Irrelevant as to when it happened. Please provide a link or source about them harassing us before we interfered.

Lawlessness aka a failed state was one of the so-called claims by the US. But it's bogus if you know the history and culture. They just did not have a strong central govt which worked for them. That we insisted they have one is what was wrong by us. In fact, our having too strong a central govt is even a problem for us. It's states with strong central powers that make more trouble in history.


Sounds like just the kind of place you would love. Perhaps consider moving there?
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:25 PM   #37
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It's great the seals jumped in and watered the lawn with the innards of those scum.....BUT...

This lady is pretty much an example of the real life horror film "Oh, my sorority sisters are dead, I'd better go take a shower".

There are a lot of people in this world that need help. You can't stick your pecker into a bee hive and then act surprised if you get a stinger in your helmet.
This is a very ironic post.

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Old 05-15-2013, 08:26 PM   #38
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Strait of Malacca between Singapore and Indonesia has been world's leading haunt of pirates. Events in Somalia have changed this.

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In 2006, a stable, popular government was finally established in southern Somalia, a moderate Islamist movement known as the Islamic Courts Union. It was quickly marked for death by the Islamophobic Bush administration which claimed, quite falsely, that the Courts Union was in league with al-Qaeda

Under cover of the Christmas holiday in December, 2006, the US and its regional ally Ethiopia invaded Somalia and overthrew its government. A new puppet government, supported by Ethiopian troops, claimed to run the country. National resistance against the US-Ethiopian invasion began immediately and continues to this day. Meanwhile, millions of Somalis were left to starve.Pirates of Somalia
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Piracy off the coast of Somalia has been a threat to international shipping since the second phase of the Somali Civil War in the early 21st century.

United Nations intervention (1992–1995)...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 794 was unanimously passed on December 3, 1992, which approved a coalition of United Nations peacekeepers led by the United States. Forming the Unified Task Force (UNITAF), the alliance was tasked with assuring security until humanitarian efforts aimed at stabilizing the situation were transferred to the UN....

Some of the militias that were then competing for power interpreted the UN troops' presence as a threat to their hegemony. Consequently, several gun battles took place in Mogadishu between local gunmen and peacekeepers. Among these was the Battle of Mogadishu of 1993, an unsuccessful attempt by US troops to apprehend faction leader Aidid. UN soldiers eventually withdrew altogether from the country on March 3, 1995, having incurred more significant casualties.
Looks like we were in there under the UN much earlier. Look, any Seal Team rescue is well executed. Those guys are awesome...but wtf was she doing there?
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Old 05-15-2013, 08:42 PM   #39
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It's states with strong central powers that make more trouble in history.
I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. Consequently, there is no evidence to say that decentralized governments - say, Vikings, Crusaders, the post-Charlemagne HRE, Interregnum England, right on up to modern-day Mexico - have made any less 'trouble' throughout history.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:10 PM   #40
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I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. Consequently, there is no evidence to say that decentralized governments - say, Vikings, Crusaders, the post-Charlemagne HRE, Interregnum England, right on up to modern-day Mexico - have made any less 'trouble' throughout history.
Rome invaded and conquered many countries and peoples. They couldn't do that without strong central powers. That's the kind of trouble I'm talking about. The Ottomans conquered many people and put them under their yoke too. They were also pretty nasty. Egypt was totalitarian and even conquered others for a time with t heir own empires.

You need to look at even more of those ancient empires that conquered others like Xerxes of Persia, for just one. Then there's the Colonial empires which wound up creating WWI with each other, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and the Soviet Union. That much power makes them overconfident and they start wars, then they eventually decline. ALL of them.

Get the picture now?
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Because it wasn't just humanitarian. All that requires is dropping aid packages.
Not taking sides in an internal conflict, and using humanitarian reasons for cover.
Just a point of fact on the bold part. In these regions, you cannot simply drop in aid packages. If you do, those in power suck them up and use them as leverage to force the oppressed to do their bidding. When it comes to "policing the world", I personally have a 'it depends' outlook, as some things I think we should be involved in and others, not. The point is, if you do decide to get involved with something like providing humanitarian aid to Somalia, you also have to go in with guns and to that end, yes, most likely pick a side.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:01 PM   #42
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Just a point of fact on the bold part. In these regions, you cannot simply drop in aid packages. If you do, those in power suck them up and use them as leverage to force the oppressed to do their bidding. When it comes to "policing the world", I personally have a 'it depends' outlook, as some things I think we should be involved in and others, not. The point is, if you do decide to get involved with something like providing humanitarian aid to Somalia, you also have to go in with guns and to that end, yes, most likely pick a side.
Okay. I can respect that but why do Christian Charities make a go of it without a military? Yes, I know savages even back in earlier times harmed them, but they knew that risk

Fact is our intervention under the UN, made the famine in Somalia much worse. Anyhow, think we're better off following the advice in George Washington's Farewell Address and Madison, below.
“A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.” -James Madison

We should be more like Switzerland, who don't get attacked. We'd be a lot safer.
As for merchant vessels off of Somalia, they should be allowed to be armed. Many of their nations don't allow that on those vessels.
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I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. ...
Oh, and I forgot you don't need a big, strong central govt for leaps in art, science and philosophy. Less govt means more freedom and responsibility for the people to create—and they do. It's just not state inspired or controlled. That is how we got all the technology that improved our lives—through free-markets and capitalism. That's how we got Hollywood and movies. Do you really think films, or even philosophy flourished under the Soviet Union? If anything strong central govts want to maintain control of their power, so stifle new ideas or harass dissident voices in the arts.
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I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. Consequently, there is no evidence to say that decentralized governments - say, Vikings, Crusaders, the post-Charlemagne HRE, Interregnum England, right on up to modern-day Mexico - have made any less 'trouble' throughout history.
There are actually people who still read the postmenopausal, stay at home mom's skewed view of history and politics?

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